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Old 06-25-2009, 12:27 AM   #16
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Good lord. I hear Harlequin romance accepts novels on spec.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:01 AM   #17
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Sanford must have a ghost writer.



somehow, I think this is worse than John Edwards
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I totally agree with this opinion.

Salon.com | The strange nakedness of Mark Sanford

By Gary Kamiya

Jun. 25, 2009 |

When South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford told the world he had been having an extramarital affair, I didn't expect to feel any sympathy for him. The ritual in which a married, male politician appears in front of the cameras, confesses to having an affair, and asks his family, friends, constituents and God for forgiveness has become so familiar and formulaic that it usually feels like the sinner is reading from a teleprompter. I let my wife and kids down -- check. I let myself down -- check. I broke God's law -- check. The whole thing is a shtick, a plastic act of absolution performed by men who are just as plastic. Its banality, its creepy decorum, belittles everyone associated with it. There is no grand, destructive passion, no fire, no chaos. There are no Anna Kareninas, only their soulless husbands.

Moreover, I was hardly predisposed to cut Sanford any slack. From Bob Livingston to Newt Gingrich, the hypocrisy of sanctimonious, Bible-thumping, family-values-espousing GOP politicians who get caught with their pants down has become a national joke. Until Republicans abandon their judgmental moralism about all things sexual, their marital peccadilloes will inspire schadenfreude, not sympathy.

But something strange happened during Sanford's confession. He broke the formula. He got lost. He went too deep. He exposed his soul. He got all weird and human on us. His life had become an awful train wreck happening in front of the whole country, and it didn't seem like he had any idea of how it was going to end up and he didn't care who knew it. Instead of a press conference, we had been carried into some Eternal Bedroom of Misery that most of us have been in at one time or another, that room where marriages and love affairs -- all alike, all different -- come to a painful end. Surreal, jagged emotional shards flew through the air. "I spent the last five days of my life crying in Argentina." "I'm committed to trying to get my heart right." "The odyssey that we're all on in life is with regard to the heart." Sanford used some of the familiar rhetoric, speaking of God's law and asking for forgiveness, but this was not another blow-dried, prefab confession. It was unscripted. It was so intimate it was almost unwatchable.

Politicians, in particular Republicans from the South, are not known for psychological introspection. But Sanford talked like one of the id-excavating characters from "Six Feet Under." He sounded like a man who's been digging so deeply through his soul, was so wounded, so beyond quotidian concerns, that he didn't care anymore what anyone thought. He was following his own compass. Maybe that explains his almost unprecedented willingness to talk not just about his wife and their children, but his lover. He talked about how their "remarkable friendship" of eight years started, ironically, when she was separated from her husband and he tried to convince her to stay with him for the sake of their children. He recounted that a year ago, their friendship sparked into something "much more" -- not just "more," but "much more."

Unprompted, he talked of the period of time after they first became lovers as "that whole sparking thing," and went on to say that after they were discovered five months ago, they "went into overdrive trying to figure out where do you go from here." He said that during this agonizing, life-upside-down time, the one thing he absolutely wanted was "resolution." And he said that "While indeed from a heart level there was something real" between him and his lover, because of his wife, children, and where he and his lover were in their lives, they decided "it was a place that I couldn't go and she couldn't go."

These are not the kinds of thing that public figures who have been caught having affairs say. They go far beyond the necessary, the conventional, the tasteful. But as e-mails between Sanford and his lover show, this does not appear to have been a casual fling. This was not conventional or tasteful. This was a love affair. (When was the last time a public figure got caught in a love affair? It's always bimbo eruptions and high-priced hookers.) And Sanford was strung out. His wife separated from him two weeks ago, as a trial to strengthen their marriage, and he promptly headed to his purgatory in Argentina. He was obviously still burned by that fire. He looked and sounded like a man who has just been taken by Eros on a guided tour of heaven and hell -- mostly the latter.

I'm neither defending nor condemning Sanford -- such judgments, from outsiders, are meaningless. I know nothing whatsoever about Sanford, his wife or his lover. I also admit I might be wrong about him. He might simply be a good actor, who cynically donned a devastated mask to win sympathy. But I don't think so. Whatever happens to Sanford politically will happen, and it won't be pretty. He knew the rules of the game, he broke them and now he has to pay the price. But that press conference was about something much deeper than politics. It was awful, but it was real. And painful as it is, in the repressed American sexual landscape, reality is better than artifice. For the real enemy is not sin. The real enemy is plastic.
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Good lord. I hear Harlequin romance accepts novels on spec.
lol

Ew, those e-mails should have been kept private. If any of the content was related to his job as governor the public had a right to know (did the lt gov even know where he was when he was really in Argentina?) but they don't need to know about the magnificent-parts- of - yourself stuff. I guess the media had those e-mails months ago when rumors started about his affair, don't know how they got them. They even e-mailed the woman and asked her to authenticate them-she never replied.

Who knew a Republican guy could be so poetic and romantic?

Jon Stewart apologized last night for having said South Carolina Mark Sanford was on the Appalachian Trail having sex with a coyote when in fact he was in Argentina having sex with a married woman.

Sanford held a press conference yesterday after being missing for seven days. He apologized to his wife and four sons for the betrayal and resigned as head of the Republican Governors Association. Stewart, who had hunkered down for an exciting announcement with popcorn and movie-sized soda, was disappointed saying:

"Oh, marital infidelity, you're just another run of the mill human being whose simple moralizing about the sanctity of marriage is only marred by the complexities of their own life. Well just another politician with a conservative mind and a liberal penis."

Stewart was, of course, referencing Sanford's views on marriage which he thought should only be between a man and a woman.
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somehow, I think this is worse than John Edwards
Dare I ask...

How so?





Fox News later correctly identified Sanford as a Republican
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Um...wtf?


Limbaugh Blames Sanford's Affair On Obama, Because Why Not?


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Naturally, the question is: Who is to blame for all of this. And the answer is Mark Sanford. Or is it?* You see, Rush Limbaugh, from the "Excellence In Broadcasting" network, has excellently broadcast an excellent theory of who is really to blame.


LIMBAUGH: This Sanford business! I'll tell you, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind, with Mark Sanford ... this is the first thought: What he did defies logic. This is ... more than being 180 degrees out of phase because of lust, or love. To split the scene for five days, and we know he's been separated, and he knows, by the way, that the newspaper in his state has the emails between him and his concubine down there in Argentina, he knows this. He knows that somebody knows what's going on. He knows his wife knows. So he ups and leaves for five days, doesn't leave anybody in charge of the state, in case there's an emergency.

Right about now, you imagine that Limbaugh is building up to some "thinking with his penis" type of statement, right? But no!

LIMBAUGH: This is almost like: I don't give a damn! Country's going to hell in a handbasket. I just want out of here!

Uhm. .. what?

LIMBAUGH: He had just tried to fight the stimulus money coming to South Carolina. He didn't want any part of it. He lost the battle and said "What the hell? The Federal government is taking over! I want to enjoy life!"

And it goes on from there. Apparently, it's all President Barack Obama's fault, for killing people's "spirit," and making them so "fed up" with the SADNESS that they've got no other choice but to abdicate their grown-up responsibilities and start philandering "before Obama takes away their money" and "their house." And Bill Clinton was in Argentina "the other night," too! So everyone is going to Buenos Aires, for succor. It will be a marvel and a wonder if any 2012 contender hasn't logged some serious time with Latin American mistresses.

Anyway, I think we can all agree that this is a very cunning plan by President Obama, who somehow managed to depress Sanford's spirits so much that he started having an affair months before Obama even became President and started enacting policies.

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eta - maybe this Sanford stuff should be split into a new thread?
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Fox News later correctly identified Sanford as a Republican
Or to paraphrase Jon Stewart, it's just his penis that's liberal.

ETA: sorry, I just saw you already said that.
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Mark Sanford biggest regret


he should have timed his news conference for the day after the Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson death media shit storms - poor guy.
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Dare I ask...

How so?





Fox News later correctly identified Sanford as a Republican
Wow, once again...
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he should have timed his news conference for the day after the Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson death media shit storms - poor guy.

I was thinking the one person who probably doesn't feel bad about the whole Michael Jackson news right now is Mark Sanford
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this is the Maria that inspires poetry?
hmmmmm

You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty.
I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses,
or that I love your tan lines
or that I love the curve of your hips,
the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light
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Ugh. This whole thing is sad.
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Now he's rejecting calls to resign.

It's up to his electorate (and I suppose to an extent the national GOP) whether it's worth it to them to stand up and demand that, but if he were my governor I'm pretty sure I would. Not because of the affair--if anything, queasiness at the spectacle of people eagerly tarring and feathering a political official over something so private would make me think twice--but because of the extraordinary professional irresponsibility shown by going AWOL for days on end and lying to people who absolutely should've at least known where he was about it.

And this detail I don't get (from the WaPo):
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"While the purpose of this trip was an entirely professional and appropriate business development trip, I made a mistake while I was there in meeting with the woman who I was unfaithful to my wife with," Sanford said in the statement. "That has raised some very legitimate concerns and questions, and as such I am going to reimburse the state for the full cost of the Argentina leg of this trip."
How is there even a rationale for this having been "an entirely professional and appropriate business development trip"? Did I miss something?
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Jenny Sanford discusses husband's infidelity

'I had every hope he was not going to see her,' she says of the governor's five-day trip to Argentina to visit another woman.
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June 27, 2009

Sullivans Island, S.C. — South Carolina first lady Jenny Sanford sat in her oceanfront living room Friday, recalling how her husband repeatedly asked permission to visit his lover in the months after she discovered his affair.

"I said absolutely not. It's one thing to forgive adultery; it's another thing to condone it,
" Jenny Sanford told The Associated Press during a 20-minute interview at the coastal home where she sought refuge with their four sons. They were her first extended comments on the affair.

She said that when her husband, Gov. Mark Sanford, inexplicably disappeared last week, she hoped he was hiking on the Appalachian Trail, as his staff told those who inquired about his absence. That he had dared to go to Argentina to see the other woman left her stunned.

"He was told in no uncertain terms not to see her," she said in a strong, steady voice. "I was hoping he was on the Appalachian Trail. But I was not worried about his safety. I was hoping he was doing some real soul-searching somewhere and devastated to find out it was Argentina. It's tragic."

The Sanfords separated about two weeks ago. She said her husband told the family that he wanted some time away to work on writing a book and clear his head.

The first lady said, "I had every hope he was not going to see her.

"You would think that a father who didn't have contact with his children, if he wanted those children, he would toe the line a little bit," she said.

Sanford, who is staying at the official residence in Columbia, returned Wednesday to end days of speculation on his whereabouts, publicly confess his cheating and give an emotional apology.

Sanford said she discovered her husband's affair early this year after coming across a copy of a letter to the mistress in one of his files in the official governor's mansion. He had asked her to find some financial information, she said, not an unusual request considering her heavy involvement in his career.

She would not comment on what was in the letter except to say "enough to figure out an affair was going on."

She felt "shocked and obviously deeply hurt. I didn't think he had it in him," she said. "It's hard to find out your husband is not who you thought he was."

The first lady said she confronted her husband immediately, and he agreed to end the affair. She said she wasn't sure Friday whether he had done so.

"I guess that's what we will have to see. I believe he has," she said. "But he was down there for five days. I saw him yesterday and he is not staying here. We'll just see what kind of spirit of reconciliation he has himself."
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That is one of the most insane things I have ever read, even from him. Talk about a streeeeetch. Wow. How do people listen to that crap?
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