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Old 10-19-2012, 04:48 PM   #511
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According to this article, things are looking brighter for Obama.

Latest Presidential Polls: Obama Winning in Key Swing States as Romney Steps Up Spending
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:51 PM   #512
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At least Obama is taking responsibility (I know, Hilary is taking it the most, but Obama is too). I think he could've done it sooner, but its better than never!
And therein lies the difference between this adminstration and the last one. They actually own up to their mistakes.

Agreed with Sean's post as well. Gotta love that insane media spin.
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Once again, an indicator that this election is truly a referendum on the intelligence of the electorate.

The Republicans making hay out of this comment is deplorable. The president was asked if the question asked if his response was optimal. He replied that it's never "optimal" when Americans are killed. All he was doing was using the phrasing that Stewart used. To suggest that this phrases indicates a flippant or careless attitude towards those who lost their lives indicates an utter disregard for context and tone and is frankly disgusting.

If you don't want to blame Obama, then blame Stewart.

You can not blame the dead people or their families




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Criticism: Pat Smith, left, whose diplomat son Sean, right, died in the raid, slammed the President's remarks
Speaking from her home in San Diego, Mrs Smith, 72, continued: 'It's insensitive to say my son is not very optimal - he is also very dead. I've not been "optimal" since he died and the past few weeks have been pure hell.
'I am still waiting for the truth to come out and I still want to know the truth. I'm finally starting to get some answers but I won't give up.
'There's a lot of stupid things that have been said about my son and what happened and this is another one of them.'


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According to this article, things are looking brighter for Obama.

Latest Presidential Polls: Obama Winning in Key Swing States as Romney Steps Up Spending

that looks like a loser for Obama



those numbers are not results, but how people say they will vote.

I know for a fact, the likelihood of a GOP voter taking the time to vote is much stronger than that of a democratic voter. The .08 margins in Vir and NH means they will end up going for Romney and Ohio is right on the edge.

the results in 2010 went much more GOP than what the polls said, why? because one side is more likely to take the time to vote. We see that in here, people say they are for Obama or the dems, but also say they don't bother to vote. How often have you ever heard a GOP supporter say that??
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that looks like a loser for Obama

those numbers are not results, but how people say they will vote.

I know for a fact, the likelihood of a GOP voter taking the time to vote is much stronger than that of a democratic voter. The .08 margins in Vir and NH means they will end up going for Romney and Ohio is right on the edge.

the results in 2010 went much more GOP than what the polls said, why? because one side is more likely to take the time to vote. We see that in here, people say they are for Obama or the dems, but also say they don't bother to vote. How often have you ever heard a GOP supporter say that??
That's quite an assumption. To debunk that theory, I read an article that Obama's ground force in the battleground states doubles Romney's ground force. You also haven't taken early voting into account either which heavily favors Obama.
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yes there are a lot of assumptions

this no toss up map from Real Clear Politics, has Romney one state away from winning

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups
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2010 was the result of anti-incumbent sentiment and when the polls were taken they were (always are) based on what the poll takers - guess - will be (was going to be) the breakdown. And they base those breakdowns on previous elections. It's hard to guess precisely what the anti-incumbent movement will be in a midterm election. 2008 saw a high turnout for the Dems because of anti-incumbent sentiment and pro-Obama sentiment. Otherwise if those sympathetic to Dems were less likely to turnout they wouldn't have won big in both 2008 or 2006, much less come as close as they did to capturing the WH in 2004. That's not what it's about - it's about motivation.

And you can't chalk up motivation based on Democrat/Republican - you base it on how bad they want to fire the current guy.

People will vote if they believe their vote still matters, whatever side they are voting for.
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Sorry if this was posted already. Latest cover story from Rolling Stone is a great article by Matt Taibbi every American should read. Scary!

Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone

Yes you should read it, but since it's pretty long but here is the synopsis:


"By making debt the centerpiece of his campaign, Romney was making a calculated bluff of historic dimensions – placing a massive all-in bet on the rank incompetence of the American press corps. The result has been a brilliant comedy: A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt and then extracting million-dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he saddled them with in the first place. That same man then runs for president riding an image of children roasting on flames of debt, choosing as his running mate perhaps the only politician in America more pompous and self-righteous on the subject of the evils of borrowed money than the candidate himself. If Romney pulls off this whopper, you'll have to tip your hat to him: No one in history has ever successfully run for president riding this big of a lie. It's almost enough to make you think he really is qualified for the White House."
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Yea I'm really gonna take Rolling Stone as a very impartial, non biased organization.

That's like taking a piece on Obama by Fox News and saying every american should view it so that they know exactly who the president reeeeally is.
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Yea I'm really gonna take Rolling Stone as a very impartial, non biased organization.

That's like taking a piece on Obama by Fox News and saying every american should view it so that they know exactly who the president reeeeally is.
Taking the source of the article out of the equation though, it's hard to disagree with the content.
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I avoid Matt Taibibi like the plague.
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I avoid Matt Taibibi like the plague.
Why?
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Yea I'm really gonna take Rolling Stone as a very impartial, non biased organization.

That's like taking a piece on Obama by Fox News and saying every american should view it so that they know exactly who the president reeeeally is.

No. It's not. Fox "News" is not even close to the same thing. They make shit up and to even equate them with journalism is ridiculous. Matt Taibbi is an award winning journalist. Big difference. imo. Disagree with him, even ignore him, I don't care.


By saying everyone should read this was a poor choice of words...my bad, so sorry. It was just a suggestion.
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Why?
Speaking purely for myself, he masks the credibility of his reporting with an overly inflammatory style.
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Speaking purely for myself, he masks the credibility of his reporting with an overly inflammatory style.
Thank you, valid point. I respect that.
I was just wondering.
Yes, the appeal of one's journalistic style is a matter of taste. I understand that. I'm not here to defend Taibbi's style, just thought his points were valid.

Don't you think sometimes the chatter is so loud on the right and the media so deaf dumb and blind, the truth is lost? I guess that can be said for both sides, it's frustrating...
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