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Old 08-21-2012, 11:44 PM   #151
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I've always rolled my eyes and grimaced at Bono's "America is an idea" bluster. (Particularly when he phrases it--and of course he's said it in some form or another many, many times--as "Ireland, where I come from, is a country, not an idea. But America is an idea!") As if Irishness weren't also an idea, and as if Americans weren't as subject as anyone else to the pull of a place, a legend and a way of life that's intimately known and familiar. I know that's not where he's headed with it, but still, there's a certain irony in someone from a country that's suffered so much from imperialism arguing for a cosmopolitan humanitarianism on the basis of a binary like that. This is a digression though.


Thanks for the brief overview of "the New Zealand idea," Axver; that was very informative.
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Many Americans are lucky if they even know how many U.S. states there are.
Also a good point.

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When I was in primary school in New Zealand, one year we had a trainee teacher working in our class who was from the US. Our actual teacher thought this would be a great chance to teach us about world geography, so we had to do a report on two countries - the US (or perhaps it was a state of our choice within the US, I forget now) and one other country.

... said trainee taught us that the US has 52 states. :facepalm:

I recall trying to figure out what the two extra states were (I think I put down DC and Puerto Rico, and I couldn't remember if Long Island or Rhode Island was a state) before this misinformation was corrected.
...and they were a trainee teacher, you said?

Ay, yi, yi.... That is pathetic. I'm sorry.

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Haha, fortunately it was just things like "wow, is the whole country that beautiful?" (yes, yes it is),
That's all the more I need to know.

Did I mention I'm dying to visit that part of the world someday?

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"do you know anybody who was in the movies?" (yes, yes I do), and "did you see any of the sets?" (yes, yes I did).
Ooh, wow, really? Neat! Would love to hear the stories behind that sometime.

(Is this the point where I admit that I've never seen more than a few moments of any of those movies at best ?)

Agree with yolland, kickass other post of yours there, by the way.
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I've always rolled my eyes and grimaced at Bono's "America is an idea" bluster. (Particularly when he phrases it--and of course he's said it in some form or another many, many times--as "Ireland, where I come from, is a country, not an idea. But America is an idea!") As if Irishness weren't also an idea, and as if Americans weren't as subject as anyone else to the pull of a place, a legend and a way of life that's intimately known and familiar. I know that's not where he's headed with it, but still, there's a certain irony in someone from a country that's suffered so much from imperialism arguing for a cosmopolitan humanitarianism on the basis of a binary like that. This is a digression though.
We Irish are a self-loathing people, you have to understand.
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Thanks for the brief overview of "the New Zealand idea," Axver; that was very informative.
Thanks yolland! Apologies for the thread hijack. I know this is getting terribly off-topic!

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That's all the more I need to know.

Did I mention I'm dying to visit that part of the world someday?
You'll never regret a trip to the South Island in particular. I'm going there next week and I'm thoroughly excited. It's mostly for work, but I'll be in the middle of a wine region so ... let's just say I'm leaving space in the suitcase for souvenirs.

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Ooh, wow, really? Neat! Would love to hear the stories behind that sometime.
Oh it's really nothing exciting. I know a few people who were extras - e.g. my friend's mother and her horse were in the battle of Pelennor Fields - and one of my aunts works in film and television production so she did a bit of behind-the-scenes work (don't remember what now ... I've only seen her a couple of times in the last decade). Plenty of scenes were shot near my hometown. Part of Helm's Deep was built in a quarry about ten minutes from my father's place, so we drove past that a fair bit.
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More Joe The Plumber?

Ryan says he clings to guns and religion, invokes 'Joe the Plumber'
By NBC’s Alex Moe

CARNEGIE Pa. -- At a steel manufacturer in Western Pennsylvania Tuesday, Congressman Paul Ryan took some swipes at President Obama, serving up red meat on guns and religion and even Joe the Plumber and "spread the wealth."

“Hey, I’m a Catholic deer-hunter," Ryan said at Beaver Steel just outside Pittsburgh. "I am happy to be clinging to my guns and my religion."

The comments the presumptive GOP vice-presidential nominee made referenced remarks Obama made on the campaign trail back in 2008.

“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said then speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser four year ago. "And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate, and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Making his debut in the Keystone State today, Ryan -- an avid Green Bay Packers fan -- came out waving a Pittsburgh Steelers' "Terrible Towel” as he entered the venue with more than 2,000 people in attendance and proclaimed his passion for football.

“Wow. You know, these things are intimidating on TV,” Ryan admitted about the gold towel he then placed in his back pocket.

Steelers owner Dan Rooney, by the way, is currently serving as President Obama's ambassador to Ireland.

Speaking in front of a large “We did build IT!” sign, the seven-term congressman also gave the crowd another 2008 flashback, telling the crowd about Joe the Plumber.

“You know, every now and then President Obama sort of drops his veil," Ryan said. "He’s less coy about his philosophy. He sort of reveals his true governing policy, what he really believes. Remember back in 2008, remember the guy Joe the Plumber? Remember when he said, you know, ‘We wanna spread the wealth around’? It’s this belief that the economy is some fixed pie, that there’s only just so much money in America, it’s fixed, and that the job of the government is to redistribute the slices of the pie. That’s not true.”

These lines from Ryan on President Obama’s 2008 campaign are new to the congressman’s stump speech.
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I'm pretty sure any Wisconsin politician would be stoned to death if they dared admit their favorite football team was anything other than the Packers.
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“Hey, I’m a Catholic deer-hunter," Ryan said at Beaver Steel just outside Pittsburgh. "I am happy to be clinging to my guns and my religion."
*Smacks forehead* Oh, for cripes' sake...

Also, yeah, no more Joe the Plumber. Please.
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Here's a link to audio of Irish President Michael D. Higgins arguing with a Tea Party member (American, of course) over healthcare and foreign policy.

A Tea Partier Decided To Pick A Fight With A Foreign President. It Didn't Go So Well.

This is the original radio show:
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Here's a link to audio of Irish President Michael D. Higgins arguing with a Tea Party member (American, of course) over healthcare and foreign policy.

A Tea Partier Decided To Pick A Fight With A Foreign President. It Didn't Go So Well.

This is the original radio show:
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Holy shit, that's awesome.
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Here's a link to audio of Irish President Michael D. Higgins arguing with a Tea Party member (American, of course) over healthcare and foreign policy.

A Tea Partier Decided To Pick A Fight With A Foreign President. It Didn't Go So Well.

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*Stands up and applauds* Another reason to love the Irish right here. Holy shit, Higgins smoked him.

Can we find some sort of loophole or something to get him on the presidential ballot this year? Or at least working in the Obama adminstration? Please?
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That was amazeballs.
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that was cathartic. fucking great.
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Higgins is no-one's fool. He has long standing links with the US and is not coming from the default euro leftie position of scorning America but not really knowing anything about the place. Remember seeing him in the Fitzpatrick's Hotel NYC in October 2001.

I should point out however that the role of the Irish president is largely ceremonial. And this interview was given before he was elected president and before the campaigns for the 2011 Irish presidential election had even started. It would not be appropriate for an elected president to engage in this type of heated commentary and neither would he do so. If he were to give an interview on a US radio station now it would be carefully scripted and would talk about innocous matters such as trade and cultural links.
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