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Old 12-13-2010, 12:10 AM   #16
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the kfc thing still pisses me off.
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:15 AM   #17
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The doll is called "Mamee" Cobbler. That's the part that just flat out says to me they were going for that incredibly racist image of African Americans, and it's therefore petty offensive to me.
Fair enough. Mamee to me didn't register as a racist slant, but for someone else it has. Can't agrue with that.

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Well it was explained to you, but you fled from that discussion as soon as it was explained and never came back... as you have with other threads regarding race, i.e. interracial marriage in the States.

There seems to be a pattern.

Others have done a pretty good job explaining why this would be considered offensive. Maybe instead you should explain to us why you think it's not offensive?
i remember the interracial marriage thread... i think my comment was that i was surprised that the percentage of interracial marriages was higher than i thought it would be, and you asked me why. obviously i don't know enough about American demographics... i don't feel that my surprise at the number was anything to do with racism.

all i can offer about that skit was when i was watching it, apart from thinking that it wasn't very funny, the idea that it was racist never once entered my mind (does that make me racist or ignorant?), and i personally still believe that had Harry Connick Jr not mentioned that he was offended by it, no one would even remember that it aired (though surely there would have been those who were offended by it watching it for the first time).
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the kfc thing still pisses me off.
what pisses you off? the reaction? or the ad itself?
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Maybe I'm being centralized into thinking this way because of where I'm from, but you're seriously going to tell me that the word "Mamee" (even spelled differently) doesn't register in your mind as racist?
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what pisses you off? the reaction? or the ad itself?
the reaction. epic case of sticking one's nose into something they know nothing about and applying completely different standards to it which had no negative connotations in the target market.

the golliwog isn't cool, however.
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Fair enough. Mamee to me didn't register as a racist slant, but for someone else it has. Can't agrue with that.
Uncle Remus will be the accompanying Ken doll.
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i remember the interracial marriage thread... i think my comment was that i was surprised that the percentage of interracial marriages was higher than i thought it would be, and you asked me why. obviously i don't know enough about American demographics... i don't feel that my surprise at the number was anything to do with racism.
Demographics and numbers aside, why even be suprised that love sees no color?
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Maybe I'm being centralized into thinking this way because of where I'm from, but you're seriously going to tell me that the word "Mamee" (even spelled differently) doesn't register in your mind as racist?
no, it doesn't. and i'm being completely honest in saying that. until you brought it up in this thread, if saw the word Mamee, or heard it used, i wouldn't bat an eyelid.
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Demographics and numbers aside, why even be suprised that love sees no color?
you don't think i'm that thick that i'm surprised that "love sees no colour" do you?
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:53 AM   #24
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:57 AM   #25
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no, it doesn't. and i'm being completely honest in saying that. until you brought it up in this thread, if saw the word Mamee, or heard it used, i wouldn't bat an eyelid.
I admit, with that spelling the first thing I think of is this:



(and I'm pleased by that)
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I'd never heard "Mamee" either. But JT brings up a fun point.
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wow... to be honest i am actually surprised that these dolls are on sale in Australia - you wouldn't find them in the UK, not for years and years and years - the term "golliwog" in the UK is very derogatory and offensive, well, just plain racist... as a kid growing up in 70s Britain, yeah, i can tell you that word and its derivatives were thrown around A LOT as a racist insult...
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aww jt, if you're gonna do it, you gotta do it all the way. what about the original aunt jemima?


as others have said, i too definitely see the racism in it, even with the words golliwog (like mama cass pointed out) and mamee. i mean, wow.

oh and of course i feel i should also point out i'm not having a go at you either or anything, danny.
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I was never comfortable with the word golliwog...
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I admit, with that spelling the first thing I think of is this:



(and I'm pleased by that)
me too, to be honest.
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