MadelynIris
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Expect to hear variations on that theme leading up to Nov. It resonates."And the message we need to send in dealing with terrorists is... our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them and not lawyers to defend them."
--Scott Brown Victory speech
Expect to hear variations on that theme leading up to Nov. It resonates.
Jesus fucking Christ.Expect to hear variations on that theme leading up to Nov. It resonates.
I most sincerely hope that our "good Republicans" remember that their total lack of civility will likely be returned sevenfold should they eventually retake the Presidency. You have most certainly reset the gold standard of obstructionism--is a "bravo" in order?--which was set before by the GOP during the Clinton administration.
And to think...these were the people upset when every Democrat didn't adore Bush as President, ready to call each of them "treasonous" for daring to criticize "our President." Now that the Democrats are in power, the GOP, rather than issuing calls for "solidarity" as they wanted their fellow Democrats to do during the Bush era, is standing ready to lead an insurgency.
"Bravo," our dear patriots. Benedict Arnold should have taken his notes from you.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Expect to hear variations on that theme leading up to Nov. It resonates.
Exactly why it resonates. It's guaranteed to piss off the pundits and scolds that insist on telling us it's our fault they hate us.
Yes, it shows how much of an idiot Scott Brown is.
You people never cease to amaze me with how quick the talking points get from Hannity or Limbaugh to your heads to this forum without any apparent thought put into it.
You do realize that Bush did the same thing with the guy who attempted to shoe bomb a plane from Paris to Florida diverted to Boston? He was prosecuted in federal court, and is in federal prison. So are the 1993 WTC bombers, Zaccarias Moussawi and numerous other captured terrorists- captured under Clinton, Bush and Obama. Any trial of a terrorist through Bush's legally and practically problematic military tribunals has been a mess.
Do you realize that Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks has been tried in such a tribunal and it so far has been a boondoogle? Meanwhile, other terrorists who are much lower on the totem pole than he is are going to federal prison for life or facing the death penalty?
Scott Brown is saying that because it sounds good. Only reason.
Since he is an attorney, he is or should be, well aware of what the US Constitution says. "No person shall be denied due process of the law." Read carefully, not "citizen" , "person." Its not about them, it is about who we are. Read some history. The Nazis were put on trial, the Boston massacre perpetrators were put on trial. Democratic and Republican administrations have non controversially put people on trial in US courts, yes, terrorists too, until these radical nuts on the right looking for a reason to attack Obama came along.
So we have on one side, the Constitution of the United States and years of precedent saying "this is how we handle things," that the accused have the right to their day in court. If the bastards are guilty, why the hell are we worried? We can prove it in the open, in federal court, security sensitive information redacted and there will be no room for Al Qaeda or their ilk to claim we are manipulating, conducting in secret, their usual shit. Remember Bush put Richard Reid in court, a case that factually looks just like the Detroit bomber case.
On the other side, we have a band of idiots, who have never been involved in anything besides running their mouths, never prosecuted, obviously do not read or think of anything beyond the talking points, who are claiming this is wrong. And by the way, taxpayers should not pay for their defense, they stomp and scream!! Well, who the hell do you think is paying to defend them now in the military tribunals? Get ready here: TAXPAYERS! I might add, we also paid $12 million to build the facility they are being tried in, and more to get the judges, lawyers, other personnel down to Cuba.
People do not think.
Now Brown the clown is on his way to DC, with a STRONG,STRONG,STRONG ASSIST FROM MARTHA COAKLEY. This woman should be ashamed, and if you knew her pre 2009, you would be shocked that she ran a race like this.
Obviously, I am no fan of Brown, but my hat is off to him tonight! He ran the better race, against the odds, worked his ass off and it showed. Independents and Democrats who would have gone for Ted Kennedy and do go for John Kerry HAD TO HAVE GONE BROWN IN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS for him to have won.
No, no one outside of a few nuts are saying that it is our fault they hate us.
This is not what any TV pundits are suggesting, that's for sure. It is not what anyone here on this forum, that I have seen, is suggesting.
Philsfan saying "jesus christ" is just him acknowledging how stupid it is for you even to bring this up as something that should resonate with voters.
Again, we are defending terrorists with taxpayer money right now, the only difference between that and federal court is federal court is efficient and proven to produce results.
All this is is a stupid talking point that made its way into the speech of a lightweight Senator elect who is increasingly more controlled by the tea party crowd every day.
Has nothing to do with defending terrorist attacks as right, or something that we brought on ourselves.
Tell me one person in politics, Democratic, Republican or otherwise, who has even come close to doing this. The closest anyone has come is Ron Paul in a late 2007 debate. He said something to the effect of "and we wonder why they attack us!" If it was official Democratic Party policy to defend terrorists as having just motives, then you would have a point here. But its not, so you don't!
This is an illogical leap that you make with nothing at all to back it up.
And now the truth.
With a huge majority in the House and a filibuster proof 60 votes in the Senate the Democrats could have passed any-damn-thing they wanted, anytime they wanted. Republicans could have called in sick all year or gone down to Crawford, Texas to help clear brush and the government could have carried on without a hitch.
Republicans couldn't obstruct jack by roll call alone. And since Republicans and conservatives are by definition hayseed doofuses, it couldn't have been their rhetorical skill holding things up.
Maybe, just maybe, Democrats overplayed their hand in trying to pass a far-left agenda when the people just wanted jobs and a sense the country was back on the right track fiscally and economically.
Wonder if they've gotten the message yet? Or will they just blame Coakley and Drudge and Rush and Foxnews and ignore the light coming down the track.
Could of swore I heard someone from time to time say Gitmo was no less than a terrorist recruiting tool.
And the anti-war Left tells us that all terrorists come with a laundry lists of complaints, grievances and fatwas which we need to be sensitive to.
The guy is tall good looking, gives a great stump speech. He can relate to the common man (and woman) and they relate to him.
If Palin belonged on the ticket in 2008 and if a freshman Senator from Illinois was qualified to run for President in 2008.
Then I say Scott Brown is the person to watch in 2012.
And, just to note, the Democrats clearly earned their loss in this election. What was Martha Coakley thinking?
True, but that assumes that Scott Brown will be able to withstand a challenge in 2012, which believe me, has already begun in earnest.
I do not know how familiar you are with figures in Massachusetts, but if Chris Gabrieli or Steve Pagliuca or Congressman Richard Neal run against Brown, then they will clean his clock.
Also, since Brown is going to the far right, looking poised to back off his pro choice views, tying himself to the tea baggers, etc, that does not look good in 2012.
The Republicans will either:
1.)Continue this Sarah Palin anti intellectual, anti fact, fantasy based extreme right wing experiment, turning off moderate voters in the process.
Under this scenario, forget about 2012.
or
2.)Field a true moderate, who rejects the tea party types, acknowledges that Ronald Reagan left office in 1989 and can not be called down for everything, presents a forward looking plan for the future and does not feel the need to resort to outrageous claims of socialism or death panels. This person would have to acknowledge the need to raise taxes and cut spending, that global warming exists, that health care status quo is unacceptable, that right wing nuts aren't the only good Republicans, and that bipartisanship does not mean the Democrats caving to the tea partiers.
Since Brown is on his way into the first group, he could suffer the same fate as the "regular gal" Palin if he tries to run for President. Maybe there will be a job for him at Fox News, though!
Expect to hear variations on that theme leading up to Nov. It resonates.
a far-left agenda
A few things of note:
The stage was set by a state legislature that kept changing the rules of how the senate seat gets filled to suit the party needs and not the peoples needs. Another example of the people feeling their ability to choose being trampled.
1) I spoke to no less than 8 people who have always voted democrat, who voted for Scott Brown over one issue - health care reform.
2) Scott Brown out campaigned her in every facet of the campaign.
3) She did not prepare for the debate. Her comments on Afghanistan were the second reason many people opened their eyes and scratched their head. That coupled with his "It's the people's seat." distinguished him from her. Then the next day attending a fundraising event in DC with health care lobbyists turned off people even more.
4) The barrage of negativity - that came from her camp at the same time she lost the debate - made her look weak and scared - because people raised and eyebrow after the debate.
5) He was everywhere - relentless - shaking EVERY hand - signing autographs and worked his ass off harder than any candidate in my lifetime. All politics is local - and he made it local. I have NEVER seen so many home made signs for a candidate in my life. They were everywhere. I cannot think of an election where people took the time to make their own signs and put them on their lawns. I take this as a sign of people who wanted to send a message, more than any other time in my life.
6) Many people view this as a two year audition for him. It is not a six year term. If he goes too far to the right, he will not be there in two years.
This is Massachusetts. We have elected republican governors before, but there has never been a movement for a Republican candidate like this. It is definitely a message that people are still looking for change. Not change for the sake of change, but change that makes fiscal sense. They are tired of the back room deals, and this health care bill is on everyones mind as being a back room deal. The people are looking for a candidate, not kissing lobbyists ass. People want to be heard. That illusion was created last night. Maybe it will be a reality, but all politicians...are accountable to someone other than the people.
still, one wonders how they let her run such an awful, awful campaign.
The guy is good looking
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And his speech went on and on and on and on..and talk about "pimping out" your daughters-saying that they're available and one of them appeared to be wearing an engagement ring and the other one said she wasn't and his wife told him to stop. I guess that's supposed to be part of his "awshucks" charm but I didn't get it. .
The lesson, as always, is that when Democrats win, they lose, and when they lose, they are obliterated.
I know now more than ever before why I could never be a Democrat and feel it vital to defeat the current Republican nihilism. Which leaves me with Obama. This is a critical moment. How he responds will be everything. I think there is a response and that, oddly enough, his chances of re-election in 2012 just rose. He must not return to Clintonism. He must reignite the center around him.
It resonates with people who like buzzwords. That's it.Exactly why it resonates. It's guaranteed to piss off the pundits and scolds that insist on telling us it's our fault they hate us.