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Old 01-12-2015, 09:40 PM   #106
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As a Christian, I don't agree with many of the scientific opinions

I hope you realize that just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean it's not true.


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I hope you realize that just because you don't agree with it, it doesn't mean it's not true.


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I don't agree with a lot of it because it's just flat out wrong.


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Within your branch of biology is medicine
Do you disagree with majority opinions in medicine?
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Within your branch of biology is medicine

Do you disagree with majority opinions in medicine?

That's a pretty broad statement. However, the advancements in medicine are absolutely incredible (obviously) and medicine and religion don't really have much conflict in facts. Obviously many religious people object to some medical practices, but across the board the more lives it can save the better.
I'm talking more along the lines of disagreeing with many of the non-Darwin evolutionary, counter-creationist arguments. The biggest thing about creation is that, contrary to anyway people want to spin it, there is no way we can prove any creation theories. Whether you're religious or not, it's still a faith in what you believe. Whether that is creationism or the Big Bang.



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There was a time religion and medicine were at odds

Religion and science was at odds over the solar system until fairly recent times

Most religion is not at odds over evolution or age of earth anymore
It seems that what some want to hold onto is Adam being the first man?
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There was a time religion and medicine were at odds



Religion and science was at odds over the solar system until fairly recent times



Most religion is not at odds over evolution or age of earth anymore

It seems the only some want to hold onto is Adam being the first man?

Religion used to be very anti-science because they viewed it as a threat and would just disagree with everything. But contrary to common thought, evolution and science do not "disprove" the Bible. In fact, in many cases it helps enhance theological and historical studies.
So I don't think that the two are at odds in many areas now, but also they've escalated quite a bit in others. So the debate will always be there until the end of time.


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I don't agree with a lot of it because it's just flat out wrong.


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I'd be curious what science you believe to be flat out wrong?

You seem to be contradicting yourself; you refer to science as opinion, say some of it's flat out wrong, you state because you're "Christian" is why you don't agree, and then say the church used to be anti-science. It sounds to me that your church still is very anti-science.


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I'd be curious what science you believe to be flat out wrong?

You seem to be contradicting yourself; you refer to science as opinion, say some of it's flat out wrong, you state because you're "Christian" is why you don't agree, and then say the church used to be anti-science. It sounds to me that your church still is very anti-science.


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I'm not anti-science. Do you have any kind of reading comprehension? I don't agree with many scientific theories, doesn't make me anti-science. I'm a lot more pro-science than most religious people.
And I'm not gonna waste my time arguing scientific theories on a U2 forum. Seems really pointless and I don't have enough time to waste to do that.


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I'm not anti-science. Do you have any kind of reading comprehension? I don't agree with many scientific theories, doesn't make me anti-science. I'm a lot more pro-science than most religious people.
And I'm not gonna waste my time arguing scientific theories on a U2 forum. Seems really pointless and I don't have enough time to waste to do that.


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If you're going to come into FYM, and make some of the comments you do then you're going to have to learn how to debate like a big boy. So far, you haven't shown you're capable.


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You're not worth my time


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It's not a matter of if you're worth my time or vice versa, the question is are you willing to discuss the topics and be willing to actually be a part of the discussion, for that is how we grow. Or are you going to continue to walk in with your ears plugged, and get angered when someone questions you?

I think we all know the answer. Are you worth FYM's time?


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I don't agree with a lot of it because it's just flat out wrong.


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What theories are flat out wrong? Is evolution or the Big Bang Theory wrong because those have been all but completely proven. There's a lot more evidence for the Big Bang Theory and evolution than there is for intelligent design or creationism (both of which have no evidence supporting them).


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I'm not anti-science. Do you have any kind of reading comprehension? I don't agree with many scientific theories, doesn't make me anti-science. I'm a lot more pro-science than most religious people.
And I'm not gonna waste my time arguing scientific theories on a U2 forum. Seems really pointless and I don't have enough time to waste to do that.


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Upon what basis do you "disagree"?

I have such a problem with that word, here and in other contexts. How do you "disagree" with what is empirical data?


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Whether you're religious or not, it's still a faith in what you believe. Whether that is creationism or the Big Bang.
The Big Bang Theory, like any scientific Theory, makes predictions that can be either confirmed or falsified upon further examination.

For instance, the Big Bang Theory (and particle physics) predicted the existence of a particle that had never existed. But the theory itself suggested it, even though it had never been seen and was never known to even exist. The Theory itself relied upon this particle existing and if it had never been found, you could say it was a theory based on a lot of (educated) faith and that had it never been found...maybe it was wrong?

So what happened? They kept looking and they found it. It basically proved the Big Bang theory as totally true.

I'm not here to suggest that creationism doesn't (or couldn't) make similar predictions that might somehow come true because that's not an argument that is worth anyone's time...but that if they did come true...I wouldn't deny them and you wouldn't either. You should really think about denying something simply because you don't believe it. That doesn't do anyone any good least of all yourself.

The Big Bang theory simply doesn't exist on faith. It's fact. And not only is it fact, it doesn't conflict with the basic idea of creation. I mean, the theory itself suggests creation from a single source. If I were religious, I would totally laud it, not reflexively claim it's based on faith, because it simply isn't.
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My biggest issue with science, though, is accountability with research. It's a very complicated field and therefore the "elites" of the science world can manipulate just about any commoner. But the same can be said of a variety of topics.
Perhaps you can manipulate "commoners" (why?) but you can't manipulate other scientists. If scientists are losing a scientific debate, they're losing because of their science, not because someone is conspiring for or against them.
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