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Old 07-17-2015, 05:45 PM   #211
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I understand that not everyone is going to be a scientist, but I still want to repeat myself and say x percent of scientists doesn't mean a lot. Citing one means absolutely nothing on top of that.

The best way to make a point is to research and inform yourself. Hearsay isn't a defense. Defense by popular vote isn't a defense either. Just TRY to understand the science for yourself.

If 97% of the scientists who study a particular topic say something about that topic, that does mean a lot. It means that the people who study this stuff for a living have come to this conclusion. That's a pretty big deal.


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Old 07-17-2015, 05:53 PM   #212
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I'm not disagreeing with the reality that they're correct. I'm disagreeing with the whole "argumentum ad populum" and whatever the logical fallacy title is for hearsay. These aren't legitimate reasons to defend something.

And you don't have to play the card to me about "what they do." Because it's "what I do." Well, it's "what I did." Moved on to something else now.

This argument is going on back and forth. Fallacy versus fallacy. The difference is if you actually do avoid logical fallacies, deniers run out of defense. But in order to actually make them quit with the fallacy, you have to as well. These are simple principles of communication. "97%" means absolutely nothing. What the 97% have said, specifically, is what's important. That's the actual defense. Not their existence by simple population.
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Old 07-17-2015, 05:55 PM   #213
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I understand that not everyone is going to be a scientist, but I still want to repeat myself and say x percent of scientists doesn't mean a lot. Citing one means absolutely nothing on top of that.

The best way to make a point is to research and inform yourself. Hearsay isn't a defense. Defense by popular vote isn't a defense either. Just TRY to understand the science for yourself.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree to an extent, but I wouldn't say "doesn't mean a lot". This isn't saying "most music critics agree" or "most theologians agree", there's processes, checks and balances, and facts that are coinciding and agreeing with each other.


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I understand what you are saying, and I agree to an extent, but I wouldn't say "doesn't mean a lot". This isn't saying "most music critics agree" or "most theologians agree", there's processes, checks and balances, and facts that are coinciding and agreeing with each other.


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You're right. Perhaps I'm coming off as too critical on my own side, but I'm only doing so as a means of not taking shots at the opposition. Simply because I hate seeing an endless back and forth where neither side wants to consider what the other is saying. I shoot for a different format/platform of discussion just because I know under that format, one side offers something. The other does not.
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But she's a science teacher. See? This consensus is a lie!!!


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Old 12-14-2015, 08:49 PM   #220
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Hey everyone, the National Review just disproved climate change! Guess we don't have to worry about it anymore!

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I don't feel like posting in the Donald Trump circle-jerk thread, but I do want to talk about this:

Even if you don't believe in climate change, what is this 11-point war on the environment? Like why actively remove all precautions? Aren't we to a point where we at least WANT clean air for ourselves, even if you believe that has no impact on the next generation's climate?

This is baffling. Absolutely, mind-numbingly baffling.
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but tax cuts.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:46 PM   #223
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I'd be careful about saying "even if you don't believe." I agree in your sentiment, but it sort of suggests belief versus fact.

Not trying to be a semantic-arguing dick, but I feel that's such an enabling word to use. Belief.
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Well, like it or not, to some people it's a belief I have no desire to belittle how someone else feels. I want to have a conversation.
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:20 PM   #225
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A conversation about what though? It seems like your argument you're putting forward to a skeptic is "but just in case, why not?"

I don't believe in god. If someone tells me "well you should pray just in case," I'm not going to pray just in case. To a climate change skeptic, they're going to happily save the money and chuckle at the idea of spending money just in case. So sure, it might be a belief to them, but fundamentally speaking I believe the only way to fix their belief is to show that it's not a belief. It's something that's supported with hard scientific evidence.

If they don't respond to that, I can't imagine there's much of a way to convince them.
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