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Old 02-03-2015, 12:50 AM   #151
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“The debate is settled,” asserted propagandist in chief Barack Obama in his latest State of the Union address. “Climate change is a fact.” Really? There is nothing more anti-scientific than the very idea that science is settled, static, impervious to challenge."



Charles Krauthammer: The myth of ‘settled science’ - The Washington Post

Do you think we should still be examining whether or not the science behind gravity is settled? Or the science behind germ theory? Should we be having a debate over whether the laws of thermodynamics are correct?


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Old 02-03-2015, 09:04 AM   #152
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Do you think we should still be examining whether or not the science behind gravity is settled? Or the science behind germ theory? Should we be having a debate over whether the laws of thermodynamics are correct?


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Is there any scientific debate on gravity? Really? Is climate change and its causes (directly linked to human behavior) as apparent as gravity ? There are actual scientists who have problems with all the assumptions made about climate change.

I know that you're replying to a pretty inflammatory post, but you can't equate the study of dynamic, planetary climate systems with the study of gravity.

The article is not unreasonable in questioning the president's statement. It was a very political statement , and somewhat ridiculous. Honestly, I don't expect less from politicians on either side, but it is what it is.

Again, though California is dryer than much of the country, we are farming it more heavily than any other state basically. We're adding tons and tons of petroleum-based fertilizers and pumping aquifers dry.

If we continue to do this, are carbon credits really going to make a difference? Is driving a Prius really going to make a difference when large-scale unsustainable farming practices continue? Enough talk of raeping the earth with fossil fuels in the AIR. Desertification by human agriculture far predates carbon emissions.

Keep listening to Barack Obama, the Republican Party, and Monsanto. They all loved this conversation, because they can keep on doing the same old thing. Meanwhile we're destroying our greatest resource from the ground up .
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Global Warming Revisited

Guys, is the Sun really the center of the Solar System? Scientists have been saying this for 472 years and nobody has made them back this up lately. Isn't it time we revisit this "theory"? After all, it's only a "theory", if it were really true then it wouldn't be just a guess like "theories" really are and would be promoted to "law" by now right, cause that's totally how science works.

 
Actually the Sun is not technically the centre of the solar system, it's one focus of each of the elliptical orbits of 8 planets and a bunch of other rocks and isn't in the actual centre of anything. Just want to be sure to clarify so some yobo doesn't come along and miss the point whine about my post
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:20 PM   #154
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“The debate is settled,” asserted propagandist in chief Barack Obama in his latest State of the Union address. “Climate change is a fact.” Really? There is nothing more anti-scientific than the very idea that science is settled, static, impervious to challenge."



Charles Krauthammer: The myth of ‘settled science’ - The Washington Post

I would also like to add, since you seem to be objecting to the "climate change is a fact" portion of the statement, are you then arguing that the climate is not changing at all, or that it's not caused/worsened by human activity?

I was under the impression that the debate over climate change occurring at all was pretty well settled to "hell yes the climate is changing" (which makes Obama's statement factually correct, in which case you're just looking for some reason to bash him and are nothing more than trolling), whereas the idea of if its related to human activity is still (in the minds of the ignorant/incompetent/uneducated, anyways) up for debate (in this case, if this is indeed what you are trying to argue, your post is completely and utterly irrelevant to this point which means you're just looking for a reason to bash Obama and are nothing more than trolling).

Please, elaborate.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:43 PM   #155
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Guys, is the Sun really the center of the Solar System? Scientists have been saying this for 472 years and nobody has made them back this up lately. Isn't it time we revisit this "theory"? After all, it's only a "theory", if it were really true then it wouldn't be just a guess like "theories" really are and would be promoted to "law" by now right, cause that's totally how science works.
Sadly, I know someone who doesn't believe in heliocentrism. And the reason is, quite literally, because the Bible tells him so.

It still blows my mind.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:53 PM   #156
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I'd like to know which verse that is.
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I've never actually discussed it with him (we're not that close anyway, but I've seen it in his facebook posts), because I like him well enough outside of that, and figure that if he still believes, in this day and age, that geocentrism is correct, that dinosaurs never existed, that evolution isn't a thing, and that the Earth is only 6000 years old, well, no rational evidence is going to sway his mind now.
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Can you also ask him please where exactly the four corners of the Earth are so that my plane does not fly off the edge on my next vacation? Thanks.

I can't imagine at all how he jives the fact that we have satellites in space and have landed on the moon with those ideas. Although most likely he probably is one of those nutbars who is convinced it was all faked. That's a topic for another evisceration thread, though.

I really hope someone comes in here and tries to seriously debate that at some point, it would be so much fun
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:58 PM   #159
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Sadly, I know someone who doesn't believe in heliocentrism. And the reason is, quite literally, because the Bible tells him so.



It still blows my mind.

That's the kind of person NASA needs to send to the sun if you ask me.
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That's the kind of person NASA needs to send to the sun if you ask me.

Or maybe a slowly degrading solar orbit so he can see for himself how fake heliocentrism really is.
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Stepping outside the door this morning I can safely say global warming is officially over.
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The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph
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"Do you think we should still be examining whether or not the science behind gravity is settled? Or the science behind germ theory? Should we be having a debate over whether the laws of thermodynamics are correct?"

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No, but global warming is not settled science.


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Old 02-08-2015, 03:46 PM   #164
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http://rankexploits.com/musings/2014...e-temperature/ That blogger had a very flawed methodology and his findings aren't correct and go against what every credible climate scientist says.

I have a question: what evidence will it take for you to accept that the climate is changing and the planet is warming up as a result of human activities?


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Old 02-08-2015, 05:28 PM   #165
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Evidence doesn't matter in this discussion. If you notice when science is contrary to his stance than he attacks science in general, if he finds a blogger or an opinion piece that uses "science" and it props up his stance than he's all for science. There is no consistency except his stance, which is dictated by politics not evidence. This IS the Tea Party.


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