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Old 07-25-2010, 10:51 PM   #391
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You don't engage in the serious kind of discussion that is merited if the nation is truly being taken apart as you suggest.


And when the heat does get poured on, like your thread asking him about the actual difference between Socialists and Fascists, or real questions challenging the assertions he makes, he ducks out of the discussion till the heat dies down.

And it took several days to respond to all this, and I could see him looking at this thread, so he was around, just waiting for it all to die down.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:19 PM   #392
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Fun stuff watching y'all play "I can be more outraged than that" while not bothering to read my post.

Looks like BVS is the winner just edging out Martha.

In the "why bother" Dept but for the record. We were talking about America in the 40's. Or so I thought.
Please...

Your backtracking is useless.

Everyone knew the context of what you were talking about and I read your whole post, don't pretend otherwise.

There is absolutely NO reason, and honestly I have a hard time believing that even the most thoughtless of the ilk i.e. Coulter would have stated things this way. There is just no excuse for saying there is no shame and that actually it was vital. Absolutely none. You can find fault in those that you love, even your country. This just sounds like propaganda exceptionalism.

Honestly in all my years in FYM this post is the most Kool Aid ridden post I've ever read.

We tried for real engagement with you, but in the last few years we got homophopic jokes, dodging of questions, and a shit load of strawmen arguments.

I was hoping you would actually return and engage one day, but no luck...
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I don't know if you're still around to read this--but at any rate, let me clarify. Glenn Beck's argument about Japanese Day in 1948 IS flawed. The Muslim Day at Six Flags is for Muslims it's not celebrate the achievements or ideology of Al-Queda. The assumption that all Muslims in general should be lumped in with the Muslim extremists is unjust, in the same way that saying that Japanese people couldn't gather at a water park on December 8, 1948 by virtue of their race. It's like telling Japanese-AMERICANS that they need to go hide in a closet for x number of years after WW II. It's a lumping in of people in America with other people in another country who happen to share the same ethncity (or religion). That is racism. And Glenn Beck seemed to feel that was okay, given the times.

As for your post, you are correct that I missed your first sentence that you were not about to defend the constitutional rights of Japanese Americans being stripped. Nonetheless, the rest of your post, perhaps inadvertantly, basically contradicted your initial statement. As I understand your post in the context of the discussion we were having, you were arguing that prejudice against Japanese during and immediately after World War II was justified--"warranted and vital" I believe was the wording--because the nation of Japan was our enemy. Despite your disclaimer in the beginnning it seemed clear that you were referring to Japanese people IN THE UNITED STATES. After all, Becks complaint was about Muslims IN THE UNITED STATES, not about Muslims in Pakistan or Afghanistan or Saudia Arabia. Or maybe you were trying to paint me in to a corner and suggest that I was saying that determination to defeat Japan in wartime is tantamount to racism. Of course it is not.

I had no quarrel with anything you had to say about opposing Imperialist Japan. I did have a problem with what appeared to be an argument that prejudice against Japanese people is okay because we are at war.

Having reread both of your recent posts a few times, I think I understand what you were trying to say. . .and it's just flat out wrong, not to mention unfair. Just because I think that being against a Japanese Day in 1948 is racist does NOT mean that I feel the U.S. needed to apologize for defending itself against Japan's aggression and taking measures to soundly defeat Japan. You got jumped on for once more creating a straw man and beating the crap out of it. In fact you continued to beat up in this straw man in your most recent post as you insisted that Diemen had a problem with American fighting Japan to win.

As for trying to keep this fun--you have had some funny moments, but I'll be frank with you. From you, as well as from people like Beck, Limbaugh, and Coulter, I've gotten a rather cynical vibe, that I find sad. You enjoy yanking the chains of liberals--yeah, I get that--but it comes at the cost of people in the conservative camp who actually take this stuff deadly serious. You say America is being destroyed by Obamacare etc etc, but you say it with a sneer. You don't engage in the serious kind of discussion that is merited if the nation is truly being taken apart as you suggest. Instead you crack one-liners and take potshots, and thus contribute to the polarization you claim to bemoan.

I hope I haven't just wasted my time in writing all this, but if I have. . .well, it wouldn't have been the first time.
Could not have said it any better, Sean.

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Although Glenn Beck has told attendees that his "Restoring Honor" rally will be a "nonpolitical rally," it will feature speeches by Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent and is partially sponsored by the National Rifle Association.

The latest edition of the NRA's magazine First Freedom features a full-page front cover ad for the rally. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence has responded, blasting the conservative commentator for his claims the rally would be apolitical:

This is the same Sarah Palin, who has purposely stoked fears and resentment among gun-owners by wrongly accusing President Obama of wanting to ban guns; who disregards the 70 percent of Americans who want restrictions on semi-automatic assault weapons; and rejects the medical community's assertion that gun violence in America is a national health problem.


This is the same Wayne LaPierre, who insists that "...it's the guys with the guns make the rules." Not Jefferson's 'We, the people,' the American voters, or their representatives. No, "the guys with the guns" -- a statement that bears eerie similarity to the one John Wilkes Booth authored in a letter on April 14, 1865, the morning before he assassinated Lincoln, that "Might makes right."

...Most jarring is the sad irony of all of these people at the podium, with their supporters spread across our National Mall, celebrating, in part, their worship of guns, while invoking, quite blatantly, the legacies of two great Americans whose magnificent lives were cruelly cut short by bullets.

August 28 marks the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's famous "I Have a Dream Speech," which was delivered at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial. Initially, Beck said that the rally would be an effort to "pick up Martin Luther King's dream that has been distorted." However, he later backtracked on the air, saying "It was not my intention to select 8-28 because of the Martin Luther King tie. It is the day he made that speech. I had no idea until I announced it and I walked off stage." (Glenn Beck has compared himself to King in the past.) He plans to award "badges of merit" to people who have lived their lives "in accordance with just universal principles."

The rally will also feature Gary Sinise, Marcus Luttrell, and David Barton.

Here is the ad for Glenn Beck's 8/28 "Restoring Honor" rally:

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Where is our local Glenn worshiper to tell us Glenn is not a liar?
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One of my co-workers is a member of the NRA and subscribes to that magazine. It's always in the break room. It's got some pretty high comedic value. I particularly enjoy the ads. Example: a picture of some guy wearing a ski mask, with the caption "WILL YOU BE PREPARED WHEN HE IS AT YOUR DOOR?"
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I think my family would cause some extreme right wingers to have a panic attack.

My husband and I are Catholic. My son who just got married is Muslim and so is his beautiful bride. We lovingly coexist in my home. They are paying off bills and saving for a home of their own.

My precious grand daughter is multi ethnic. European and Asian ancestry. Are we the new face of America?
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I think my family would cause some extreme right wingers to have a panic attack.

My husband and I are Catholic. My son who just got married is Muslim and so is his beautiful bride. We lovingly coexist in my home. They are paying off bills and saving for a home of their own.

My precious grand daughter is multi ethnic. European and Asian ancestry. Are we the new face of America?
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Glenn Beck is adding budding web mogul to his list of media titles.

The radio and TV show host launched Monday a news and opinion website called The Blaze that he says will be "a place where you can find breaking news, original reporting, insightful opinions and engaging videos about the stories that matter most."

In 2009, Beck is reported to have earned $32 million through a mix of books, radio, TV, digital media, and speaking fees.

The Blaze will be edited by Scott Baker, formerly of Breitbart TV, who told Mediaite that the site plans "news and information... commentary and opinion stories we're interested in that are being under-covered or not covered."

Beck said he was frustrated with the way the media covered his "Restoring Honor" rally this weekend.

"Too many times we see mainstream media outlets distorting facts to fit rigid agendas," he wrote on The Blaze. "Not that you've ever heard me complain about the media before. Okay, maybe once or twice. But there comes a time when you have to stop complaining and do something. And so we decided to hire some actual journalists to launch a new website."

Beck added that the website "will be about current news -- and more. It's not just politics and policy. It's looking for insight wherever we find it. We'll examine our culture, deal with matters of faith and family, and we won't be afraid of a history lesson."

How'd they come up with the name The Blaze?

"The image of flame is a powerful," he said. "It has long stood for a burning truth. A truth that is not consumed. The Blaze will pursue truth. Of course we will make mistakes. Honest mistakes. And we'll be quick with corrections. We intend to earn your trust and keep it day in and day out with hard work and a lot of transparency."
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I don't post as much as many of the other right wingers do here, because as I'm sure most of them will agree with me, it's not very fun to. I don't even particularly agree with Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and all of those fear-spreading type, (and a lot of conservative posters here) but I certainly don't hate them, and I usually feel like I'm lumped in with them, even just by reading some of the posts which constantly just shit on the right wing and conservatives in general.

I signed up for the Marines to defend americans rights to have views different from my own, be it political or religious. I support someones right to protest the government, war, or a large corrupt corporation, and I support a Muslims right to worship anywhere free from threats of violence. My oath of enlistment is to defend the constitution, so it would be pretty hypocritical of me if I didn't support it 100% in the first place.

Just my two cents. I had more thoughts to share but not enough time.
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Why does everyone always feel the need to verbally defend the rights of the right to speak freely as if they are under attack? Did anyone here say that they shouldn't have a right to do this?

He can talk all he wants. I just think no one should listen.
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Why does everyone always feel the need to verbally defend the rights of the right to speak freely as if they are under attack? Did anyone here say that they shouldn't have a right to do this?


i guess the same people who think that their rights to be straight, white, christian, gun-toting, people who revere the military are likewise under attack.

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My opinion on the whole thing: Glen Beck is a ham.

He always has been, from his morning zoo days after dropping out of college, up to present day.

He knows he is trolling the left and the scared, 40+, USSR-fearing white baby-boom demographic. He's laughing all the way to the bank.

I just try to look at it as light entertainment and feel a tinge of sadness for the people who refer to US-based cable (CNN US, Fox, NBC) as "the news" anymore.
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I signed up for the Marines to defend americans rights to have views different from my own, be it political or religious. I support someones right to protest the government, war, or a large corrupt corporation, and I support a Muslims right to worship anywhere free from threats of violence. My oath of enlistment is to defend the constitution, so it would be pretty hypocritical of me if I didn't support it 100% in the first place.
Wonderful post!
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I don't post as much as many of the other right wingers do here, because as I'm sure most of them will agree with me, it's not very fun to. I don't even particularly agree with Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and all of those fear-spreading type, (and a lot of conservative posters here) but I certainly don't hate them, and I usually feel like I'm lumped in with them, even just by reading some of the posts which constantly just shit on the right wing and conservatives in general.

I signed up for the Marines to defend americans rights to have views different from my own, be it political or religious. I support someones right to protest the government, war, or a large corrupt corporation, and I support a Muslims right to worship anywhere free from threats of violence. My oath of enlistment is to defend the constitution, so it would be pretty hypocritical of me if I didn't support it 100% in the first place.

Just my two cents. I had more thoughts to share but not enough time.
I hope you stick around Pac_Mule. I'm always interested in hearing thoughtful opinions from the conservative point of view.

Any frustration I have with conservatives is more the type of argument that seems to dominate the ideology these days--arguments that are cheap and dishonest. I think there could have, for example, been some constructive criticism of the Democrat's health reform plan but what dominated the airwaves (and a lot of the posting) was just nonsense.
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