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ever been to one? Like a national one?

I restate that Tea Baggers is a derogatory statement , that has no business in the discussion.

Lets see how things work. Essentially.
I've been to two, actually went to the very first one which Glenn Beck attended.

You really seem to be missing my point, which is that I only use the term for those that display their racism or hatred.

Iron Horse, Benji do the folks like him at these rallies NOT bother you?

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It's hard to see anything with all the hyperbole.
I apologize if I came down hard on you last night it's just that it's frustrating when some come in here and act like they don't see anything wrong at all. No one in here is claiming every person in these rallies is a racist, but we have to be able to recognize hatred in order to ever end it.

Yes there may have been some "hyperbole" in those threads but no way does it excuse the misguided signs or attacks. Just because you may agree with some of the Tea Party's platform doesn't mean you have to lay a blind eye to some of it's members, that goes for all of us.
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Community organizing? Isn't that a bad thing?


YouTube - Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"


Think Progress � Glenn Beck Has A ‘Plan’ To Sell Books With March On Washington On The Anniversary Of MLK Speech

Yesterday, while promoting his latest book at “a festive campaign-style rally” in The Villages in Florida, Fox News host Glenn Beck announced that he was crafting “a 100 year plan” that will be “radical” and will “restore our nation to the maximum freedoms we were supposed to have been protecting.” In his speech, which Media Matters captured on video, Beck told his followers, “we need to start thinking like the Chinese“:

BECK: I’ve done a lot of reading on history in the last few years and I was amazed to find that what we’re experiencing now is really a ticking time bomb that they designed about 100 years ago, beginning in the progressive movement. And they thought, “you know what, if we just do this and this and this and this, over time if we do it in both the Republican and Democratic parties, we will have our socialist utopia.” Well, I say again, two can play at that game. I am drafting plans now to bring us back to an America that our founders would understand. … We need to start thinking like the Chinese. I’m developing a 100 year plan for America. A 100 year plan. We will plant this idea and it will sprout roots.

At the rally and in a letter on his website, Beck said that he planned to organize a series of conventions in seven regions of the country, where his supporters can go to learn about “self-reliance, community organizing, the economy and how to be a political force in your own neighborhood and country.” The conventions will culminate in a new book by Beck called The Plan and a march on Washington to launch it:

- All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.

- On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country.

Hot Air’s Allahpundit notes that the date of Beck’s DC event “happens to be the anniversary of the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech” by Martin Luther King, Jr. “Eschewing the title of ‘leader’ is thus a curious display of modesty from a guy who thinks his book launch is worthy of a modern-day March on Washington with him in the MLK role,” writes Allahpundit.

But not everyone thinks Beck is just elaborately promoting his next book. “He might just be trying to sell books, but there are much simpler ways to sell books,” Media Matters’ Ari Rabin-Havt told the New York Times, adding that “Beck sounded more like a presidential candidate than a pundit.”

PS he wasn't charging dues ala ACORN . The villages in pretty organized on its own. he was visiting.
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YouTube - Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"


Think Progress � Glenn Beck Has A ‘Plan’ To Sell Books With March On Washington On The Anniversary Of MLK Speech

Yesterday, while promoting his latest book at “a festive campaign-style rally” in The Villages in Florida, Fox News host Glenn Beck announced that he was crafting “a 100 year plan” that will be “radical” and will “restore our nation to the maximum freedoms we were supposed to have been protecting.” In his speech, which Media Matters captured on video, Beck told his followers, “we need to start thinking like the Chinese“:

BECK: I’ve done a lot of reading on history in the last few years and I was amazed to find that what we’re experiencing now is really a ticking time bomb that they designed about 100 years ago, beginning in the progressive movement. And they thought, “you know what, if we just do this and this and this and this, over time if we do it in both the Republican and Democratic parties, we will have our socialist utopia.” Well, I say again, two can play at that game. I am drafting plans now to bring us back to an America that our founders would understand. … We need to start thinking like the Chinese. I’m developing a 100 year plan for America. A 100 year plan. We will plant this idea and it will sprout roots.

At the rally and in a letter on his website, Beck said that he planned to organize a series of conventions in seven regions of the country, where his supporters can go to learn about “self-reliance, community organizing, the economy and how to be a political force in your own neighborhood and country.” The conventions will culminate in a new book by Beck called The Plan and a march on Washington to launch it:

- All of the above will culminate in The Plan, a book that will provide specific policies, principles and, most importantly, action steps that each of us can take to play a role in this Refounding.

- On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country.

Hot Air’s Allahpundit notes that the date of Beck’s DC event “happens to be the anniversary of the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech” by Martin Luther King, Jr. “Eschewing the title of ‘leader’ is thus a curious display of modesty from a guy who thinks his book launch is worthy of a modern-day March on Washington with him in the MLK role,” writes Allahpundit.

But not everyone thinks Beck is just elaborately promoting his next book. “He might just be trying to sell books, but there are much simpler ways to sell books,” Media Matters’ Ari Rabin-Havt told the New York Times, adding that “Beck sounded more like a presidential candidate than a pundit.”

Media Matters’ ..the New York Times Isn't media matters that Soros thing? They do all Weiners work, and are part of the Weiner Cleaners in his district. Times. Bankrupt
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I apologize if I came down hard on you last night it's just that it's frustrating when some come in here and act like they don't see anything wrong at all. No one in here is claiming every person in these rallies is a racist, but we have to be able to recognize hatred in order to ever end it.

Yes there may have been some "hyperbole" in those threads but no way does it excuse the misguided signs or attacks. Just because you may agree with some of the Tea Party's platform doesn't mean you have to lay a blind eye to some of it's members, that goes for all of us.

I have been to This particular rally, I have been to washington, I have been to Atlanta and I have been to San Antonio. 10's and 10's and 10's of thousands of people .

Never once, a single incidence of violence. Not once . Except the SEIU Union boy beating up a black man in a wheel chair, for selling AMERICAN FLAGS . Where is the outrage?

Tea Party Sounds like an extremist group to me .yeah buddy

Those G20 guys seem lik nice peacful fellows. where is the outrage about them? It is allowed in the minds of people here?
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The Tea Party and the G20 types are not equal in my eyes or most of the educated country for that matter.

I see the mainstream Republican party catering to and embracing the Tea Party, I do not see that on the other side.

I didn't see any violence either at the first rally, but plenty of racism and misguided history.
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The Tea Party and the G20 types are not equal in my eyes or most of the educated country for that matter.

I see the mainstream Republican party catering to and embracing the Tea Party, I do not see that on the other side.

I didn't see any violence either at the first rally, but plenty of racism and misguided history.

Tea Part 1 = Grandma , Freedomworks =Tea Party 2 is a different group trying to make it a political party .

I have seen more stuff on this board, times 1000 than at a Tea party 1 gathering
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I've been to two, actually went to the very first one which Glenn Beck attended.

You really seem to be missing my point, which is that I only use the term for those that display their racism or hatred.

Iron Horse, Benji do the folks like him at these rallies NOT bother you?


Is that San Antonio? I was there. He was thrown out. So no I dont. so tell the whole story please.

It was on the news that he was removed, as anyone that does anything like that.

You cant control who shows up, and as they say, one bad apple.....

I saw a guy at a u2 concert start fighting and holding up signs. not nice ones. Bono stopped the song, and had the guy thrown out. Does that mean Bono approved his sign and conduct? NO and they have security at the gate.


want me to make posts of Liberals outside soldiers funerals? and other "nice stuff. Got film and everything.

The difference to betwen you and Me. I KNOW the majority of Liberals don't condone protesting the soldiers funerals. People such you, use a person like that to make your point. BIG difference

I wouldnt do that, because i am not going to group 1 person with 1,000's ( about 20,000 there right ? ) Don't need to. But you go right ahead.

In Washington, the Federal Park Police said it was the best group they had ever had.

1 person, and they are all bad.... what does hat remind me of?????
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As I've stated in another Thread, wtf has happened to the GOP? These people are running the show? I mean Palin, Rush, Hannity and this Ass clown? I wonder if Reagan was alive what would he think?
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Is that San Antonio? I was there. He was thrown out. So no I dont. so tell the whole story please.

It was on the news that he was removed, as anyone that does anything like that.
It wasn't San Antonio and he wasn't kicked out. It was Forth Worth and he was applauded.


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want me to make posts of Liberals outside soldiers funerals? and other "nice stuff. Got film and everything.

The difference to betwen you and Me. I KNOW the majority of Liberals don't condone protesting the soldiers funerals. People such you, use a person like that to make your point. BIG difference

I wouldnt do that, because i am not going to group 1 person with 1,000's ( about 20,000 there right ? ) Don't need to. But you go right ahead.

In Washington, the Federal Park Police said it was the best group they had ever had.

1 person, and they are all bad.... what does hat remind me of?????
You just made a long post in another thread describing the two Tea Parties, so you obviously see the difference and are embarassed by a portion of the Tea Party. This is a big portion of this movement, maybe not all have the way with words like this fella, but they all feel like they are in a cultural war. Their status quo is slipping away and they are in a panic. Glenn Beck is part of this group. It's not just the machine he's upset with, he's upset that his status quo has been changed. He doesn't want a black man in the White House, he doesn't want an openly gay man to have a seat in Congress, he wants Obama to lie to the world and tell everyone this is a Christian nation. This is not just about economics with him.
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So they altered the video?
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It wasn't San Antonio and he wasn't kicked out. It was Forth Worth and he was applauded.




You just made a long post in another thread describing the two Tea Parties, so you obviously see the difference and are embarassed by a portion of the Tea Party. This is a big portion of this movement, maybe not all have the way with words like this fella, but they all feel like they are in a cultural war. Their status quo is slipping away and they are in a panic. Glenn Beck is part of this group. It's not just the machine he's upset with, he's upset that his status quo has been changed. He doesn't want a black man in the White House, he doesn't want an openly gay man to have a seat in Congress, he wants Obama to lie to the world and tell everyone this is a Christian nation. This is not just about economics with him.
"It wasn't San Antonio and he wasn't kicked out. It was Forth Worth and he was applauded"

When did they move the Alamo to Fort Worth? That must have been a big project to move the Ft and all 4 acres of the land . Do you know when they moved it? I didn't know. I am sorry . Somehow that missed the radar . Was Glenn in NY/Ft Worth Airport?

Here is the video. Is that an African American Pastor speaking with Judge Naplitano. Listen to what they say about republicans AND Democrats. Very partisan don't you think? It is those words he says all he time.

YouTube - Glenn Beck with Adrian Murray and Stephen Broden from the Fort Worth 9/12 event. Ft Worth @the Alamo

YouTube - Beck: What are Tea Partys Really All About? - San Antonio Tea Party @ the Alamo - 4/15/09 Glenn Beck at the Alamo , at the Alamo he explains the Tea Party. Notice about who "suck" ( his word) in Glenns view at the Fort Worth Alammo . In his own words. Listen to his words carefully. They are very clear and would be a stretch to say he is saying anythng else. lips move and everything. Listen very carefully to what he says about Presidents . Plural .These are the same things he says every day . Twist this one if you wish .

Please source this . You being about sources and all

" He doesn't want a black man in the White House" (See video) , he doesn't want an openly gay man to have a seat in Congress,( I have got to see this one")" he wants Obama to lie to the world and tell everyone this is a Christian nation". If you read the Foundation of the country, that pesky consitution things The religious, Christian thing is everywhere, from the people who worte it. Did he write the Constitution too? He wasn't even alive then.

Come on, you are better than this. I have faith in you.

Just courious. You listen and go to rallys alot, you say. There must be a good reason other than to try to trash him.

If you are from San Antonio, then you would know there was a big bulding downtown with 3 letters on it. K , C was the first and middle of the 3. letter I worked in that building as a paid consultant for their products.. they are gone now and not sure if it has been sold yet, but the Alamo hadn't been moved to Ft Worth . You know better than that.

What are you doing Monday between 9-12 this coming Monday? I think you have a bet if you chose to take it, and you can finally get some PR for your music if you can show any film, or audio of him saying " I don't want an openly gay man to not have a seat in congress". I will set it up. You can play one of your songs live, to 5 million listeners if you can show video or audio of him saying that. I already had a tweet back. can be arrainged, you have peaked an interest. Now he is homophobic? Your really wrong on that one. Everything he says is on film and video , unless he said that to you privately. Even then....he wouldnt say that and hasn't. You think he may have any staff that is openly gay? He is not for gay marriage, but that is as far as it goes. He is entitled to his views of the defintion of marriage isn't he?


interested? Let me know. be worth delaying my vacation to hear this one.

Listen to the video's closely please.

Explains the Tea parties. YouTube - Glenn Beck Live At The Alamo - 4/15/09 - Inspirational Tea Party - Washington Listening? pt1

sourced it twice, so the Doctored video conspiracy attack can't be used .

"Nothing to do with parties " the donkey or the Elephant,"

"Obey the law..." so extreme

12.8 TRILLION spent by the last 2 ( TWO ) Presidents llast year ( meaning Bush AND Obama

"If you can write the tax code, you should be able to pay them "

Believing in something"

Wow. Radical and extreme.
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So they altered the video?

Context. I have the whole video if you would like. it is about 45 minutes long

I am not sure which book you keep refering to. He was signing a Book ( Arguing with idiots) which had been out and was already number 1 on he NYT best sellers list at the time of the trip to the Villages.

I knowof no book called "The Plan" that was written , proposed, or "planned" . Could you give me a little more info? I or Joe, or anyone there knows of a book, written or proposed called the "Plan", and besides a book about x-mas, his last book was just released called the Overton Window.NYT 1 So I am confsued which book you are refering to.


MLK's Birthday is Jan 15th . Are you thinking about Aug 28th? The I have a dream speech? Beck has a ton of respect for MLK . Loves what he did and how he did it.

Beck also did an excellent set of shows regarding african American heros, in the foundation of our country. These great, heroic men and women,seem to have beeen lost from our history books and it is bad he was sharing to the nation their vital, heroic deeds to the nation. That is bad? I think it is fasntastic. Their efforts should be celebrated. Many African Americans were a large part of founding our country. Many true hero's. Their stories should be told and taught , and put in the history books.

Glad someone is doing it.
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As I've stated in another Thread, wtf has happened to the GOP? These people are running the show? I mean Palin, Rush, Hannity and this Ass clown? I wonder if Reagan was alive what would he think?

I thought Michael Steele is chair of the GOP? Rush is Rush,don't love him, but have no hate for him. He makes darn good money, and his ratings beat evryones combined. He must be doing something right . Hannity I do not care for personally and I am not sure what you mean by ass clown . For the record, I like Juan Williams. He has some balance.

Reagan, actually gave an excellent speech years before his Presidency about these very times. Amazingly accurate . So let me lnk it, and we can see what he thought.
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I've been to two, actually went to the very first one which Glenn Beck attended.

You really seem to be missing my point, which is that I only use the term for those that display their racism or hatred.

Iron Horse, Benji do the folks like him at these rallies NOT bother you?

Photo shop....? i wuld like to see that tape.. see the sign behind him? If you have been to a rally, those people are video tapped by the organizers, asked once o tak down the sign, or they are removed.AL events have a video squad, that photographs each of the loons, and hey are kept in a database. tey do not remove the sign, they dont come back if they are in the database.. Kid of like john Lewis and spitting . Notice how they were filmed the whole time they walked with Nancy? John Lewis was my rep during school, and I called his office right when heard about the alleged incdent. He sais he guy "spitled" when he loudly voiced his opinion. He wasn't shooting a hocker. I believe John lewis. he is a good man.

"Benji do the folks like him at these rallies NOT bother you" Didn't see this part until now.

Being that out of all the rally's I have been to, including any Tea Party, I have seen 4 bad, out of line people wth inappropriate things. I am the first one to make sure to grab the first Policeman I see, and they are promptly removed. We will carry them out if we have to, as I, nor anyone I know goes for anything like that. ZERO tolerance CVS . ZERO . I am serious. I can disagree with pepople, and go have a beer, but IF ( I want to see a film) this was true, notice the sign right behind his head that says Coordinators only? Those people wouldn't be able to get anywhere near there, especially with a guy with a camera, unless he was with the Tea party Police. They would have long removed him. Again, they record ANY questionable like this, and they are banned. The Permit holder can throw them out,. I am skeptical about this photo, which is why I would want to see the film. There is a "security method " which i will not reveal, as it is a tool used for any potential "tools" . Personally , and obvious ths would be totally unacceptable and I would be the first to remove him with the police. They have to watch for this stuff, as if you let anyone in, god knows who could show up. They search people at concert right?

No CVS, this wouldn't make it, and if someone did that, the only violence would this guy being thrown out by the rally attendees. They are not stupid. They hire and train volunteers for issues. This would be an issue.

Most of the security, internally, are higly trained professionals, from many resources, including Police and other agencies.

There has beeen 1 arrest, just one arrest out of ALL the rallys. a single arrest in DC. He was not a member of the group holding the rally.. It wasn't for a sign, or gun, or anything like that .

How many were arrested at g20? Everything from Bombs, guns, firebombs etc. 1 arrest, and it had nothing to do with the DC rally. Ask the park Police what they thought about the DC rally. Said it was the best, most well behaved crowd they have ever had.

They even picked up every single piece of paper.

The DC rally was neat. In one corner, they were holding the national black family reunion . The invited many to share the food.We sang amazing grace together . They had a great time as we did. It was all peacefull.

I have searched the database, this isn't there.
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