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Old 08-28-2012, 03:58 PM   #76
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As a woman, I have noticed a difference in tactile responsiveness between circumcised and uncircumcised men, FWIW.

This has been my experience as well.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:15 PM   #77
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The reasoning behind circumcision preventing STDs is because it removes a part of the body that's more likely to get small tears through which things like HIV can pass into the blood stream. Does not seem like valid reasoning to me considering the existence of condoms. If you're counting on cutting off a part of your body to lower your risk of HIV I think you're putting your eggs in the wrong basket.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:20 PM   #78
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Like neutering dogs to avoid testicular cancer or spaying female dogs to avoid pyo...

No, I don't think the prevention/cleanliness arguments hold up here in the west.
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So the motivation of the AMERICAN Pediatric Society was. . . .?
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I read an article on this a couple of days back

and came to the conclusion there is a small net gain and no real negatives.
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^That's pretty much what I gathered too.
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for that reason it should not be prohibited
and a recommendation by them is reasonable.
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:21 AM   #83
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According to that same logic they should also remove the appendix at a young age. Thing has no use and it would prevent possible appendicitis.
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According to that same logic they should also remove the appendix at a young age. Thing has no use and it would prevent possible appendicitis.
Except only the appendix has no use
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for that reason it should not be prohibited
and a recommendation by them is reasonable.
Is this their consistent position? Say, with respect to something like appendectomies or tonsillectomies for children?
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I must say I'm really surprised by many of the responses on this topic. People who are normally pretty sharp, seem to be. . .less so on this topic.

I really expected to hear stronger arguments than what's been put forth so far. Are we seriously comparing an appendectomy to circumcision? I mean, really?
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And I admit I'm not entirely unbiased. I obviously have a vested interest in not feeling like I'm somehow "broken" or "scarred for life."

But even so. . .
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I must say I'm really surprised by many of the responses on this topic. People who are normally pretty sharp, seem to be. . .less so on this topic.

I really expected to hear stronger arguments than what's been put forth so far. Are we seriously comparing an appendectomy to circumcision? I mean, really?
Have you ever seen a circumcision performed? It's not a neat little snip. I'd agree it's silly to compare an appendectomy to circumcision, but only because the appendix actually is a useless organ
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In the US, pediatric tonsillectomy actually was a very routine procedure for preventing typical childhood throat infections 60 years ago. That came to an end when large-scale followup studies made it clear that the operation did not in fact have that effect for most children, and given that when these infections occur they are usually easily treatable with bed rest and/or (by that point in time) antibiotics, tonsillectomy as routine preventative was therefore no longer endorsed. Even so, it remains one of the most common childhood surgeries (in the US) and a source of continued infighting among doctors as to whether and when to recommend it for children. There's no history of pediatric appendectomy being employed in such a manner, so it's hard to compare, but as far as it goes the operation itself (as distinct from the disease) actually has quite a high morbidity i.e. significant complications rate in children (13.5%-35.6%, compared to the 0.19%-0.22% cited for infant circumcision--and incidentally, 1.9% for early childhood tonsillectomy--in the AAP statement). That would obviously have to be taken into account if considering appendectomy as a routine preventative.

If the AAP found that research to date supports a conclusion that infant circumcision impairs sexual satisfaction in adulthood, I'm sure they'd change their tune dramatically (their statement does include a literature review on this topic). They are a relatively conservative organization--in the sense in which that term applies to medical organizations, not in the political sense--so it isn't surprising that they'd effectively sidestep the more ideologically charged aspects of the medical question by neither actively recommending nor actively discouraging it (the statement does not constitute a "recommendation," and it is a misrepresentation of it to say so). As the pediatrics professor quoted in MrsS' article points out, most parents decide whether or not to circumcise based primarily on social, cultural, familial or religious notions anyway, so in practice it matters little what the AAP determines the upshot of the extant medical research to be, unless and until they perceive that said research demonstrates unacceptable risk of medical harm.
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Yet we're still discussing whether or not a baby should have part of his penis cut off... Just think about that for a second. The only reason people aren't completely repulsed is because of ingrained, archaic culture
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