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Old 07-24-2013, 08:54 AM   #91
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Probably because the government doesn't give you anywhere close to $40k/year on welfare.
His numbers may be off - but a system that creates multi-generational dependency on government support is no longer a "safety net". And a way to maintain political loyalty.
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His numbers may be off - but a system that creates multi-generational dependency on government support is no longer a "safety net". And a way to maintain political loyalty.

This is indeed the right wing narrative as to why their party has become almost all white and majority male and a way to retain political lotalty through racializes resentment. Non-white Americans are voting for a welfare check, because we are a country if makers (whites) and takers (everyone else).

We'll see how well this narrative seves the GOP in 2016.
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I don't see the GOP as creating political narratives to which racism is accepted. I more see the Left as using race as a political rallying tool to energize their base. I asked my black girlfriend about it. She can't stand Sharpton and Jesse and understands their motives. They would be unemployed without racism so they have to accuse it whenever they can. They became rich because of it. She understands their motives and stated that most of her friends who are black understand that Sharpton and Jesse are full of b.s.

Ya the war on drugs was a failure. Free all the crackheads I say.


I agree mostly about Sharpton/Jackson, and I don't think they hold much influence like they did in the 1980s.

The war on drugs locked up black men at a disproportionate level for possession of marijuana when white and black rates of drug use are about the same. Walk through any college dormitory in America and you'll likely find much higher rates of marijuana use than in your average inner city black neighborhood. But guess who goes to jail?
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It's not black Americans remaining in the underclass because of the GOP. It's because of the Left keeping them in their system of depending on the government. Welfare, food stamps, section 8, the more babies they have the more they get. Why should they try to improve themselves and get an education? Why work 2080 hrs a year for $50,000 when the gov will give me $40,000.


The Left "keeps" them there? How?

This narrative was effective when Reagan use it and the racist "welfare queen" stereotype back in the 1980s, but we've had welfare reform since 1996, so I think the right needs a new line of attack, one that isn't so false and offensive.
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The Left "keeps" them there? How?

This narrative was effective when Reagan use it and the racist "welfare queen" stereotype back in the 1980s, but we've had welfare reform since 1996, so I think the right needs a new line of attack, one that isn't so false and offensive.
Have the facts changed or are they still "racist"? I haven't seen news showing a decrease in dependency on government assistance.

Instead of labels, how have things changed, if at all?
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Probably because the government doesn't give you anywhere close to $40k/year on welfare.
Ah yes, the conservative myth of people living high off welfare. How often we have seen it and in so many forms.
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Have the facts changed or are they still "racist"? I haven't seen news showing a decrease in dependency on government assistance.

Instead of labels, how have things changed, if at all?

You don't think the term "welfare queen" is/was racist? Perhaps your distortion is necessary.

Given the enormous growth in inequality since the 1980s due to GOP fiscal policy as well as the Great Recession we were given by totally Republican rule from 2000-2006, it doesn't surprise me that more people need government assistance. Is this shameful? Does this actually cost us a lot of money? Or are the real financial obligations Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, all government assistance programs enjoyed by white people?

I'd ask you to look at the 1990s with its higher tax rates and subsequent booming economy and the rise of the black middle class euro g that decade.
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And a way to maintain political loyalty.
Is there any data to back this up? Because in my admittedly anecdotal experience the poor are not a massively powerful voting block. They don't seem particularly engaged in the political process. I know a lot of politically engaged African Americans but they are not dependent on government assistance.


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I agree mostly about Sharpton/Jackson, and I don't think they hold much influence like they did in the 1980s.
Exactly. I'm not sure Sharpton ever had much in the way of influence. He's an attention hound and always has been. He only wishes he had the kind of reach that Limbaugh and his other counterparts on the Right have. He's more famous as the Right's bogeyman than anything else.
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Given the enormous growth in inequality since the 1980s due to GOP fiscal policy as well as the Great Recession -
Irvine, both parties have had plenty of involvement in fiscal policy over the last thirty years. Both parties have created the great chasm between the uber-rich and the rest of us (which is becoming a global phenomenon, where the Left leaning parties have held the most control).

Like you - I can't stand the GOP. Unlike you - I can't stand the Democrats either.
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Exactly. I'm not sure Sharpton ever had much in the way of influence. He's an attention hound and always has been. He only wishes he had the kind of reach that Limbaugh and his other counterparts on the Right have. He's more famous as the Right's bogeyman than anything else.
Then why is he always invited to speak on the major news channels?
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Ah yes, the conservative myth of people living high off welfare. How often we have seen it and in so many forms.
I actually think they should get more.

I've followed some links on Reddit for the idea of Basic Income.

However - unlike this article, I think everyone should receive about 50k a year (un-taxed), no matter what. No questions asked. If we can print for the banks and control inflation - we can print for the people and control inflation.

Also - I think the idea that people would just sit around and be lazy is wrong. Sure, maybe for a few months or even a few years people might just kick back and read, study, travel, surf - how horrible. However, most people have a desire to be a part of something bigger than themselves - and if they weren't so afraid of receiving their next pay check - they'll get the chance to find/create careers that is a better fit for their talents.

I also think this would break the cycle of poverty in the urban black neighborhoods. Once the kids realize they can truly do/be just about anything they want - you would see less and less choose the criminal path.
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Irvine, both parties have had plenty of involvement in fiscal policy over the last thirty years. Both parties have created the great chasm between the uber-rich and the rest of us (which is becoming a global phenomenon, where the Left leaning parties have held the most control).

Like you - I can't stand the GOP. Unlike you - I can't stand the Democrats either.


i'm making distinctions between parties, not saying one is fantastic and the other is awful. there are real distinctions, and i'd like us to be a bit more like Sweden and Denmark and a bit less like a 3rd world dictatorship.




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He's more famous as the Right's bogeyman than anything else.
exactly. the Right needs him much more than the left.



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Then why is he always invited to speak on the major news channels?

Ann Coulter is invited to speak on the major news channels.
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I know this fits the current narrative of the left, but I think you've mixed up the parties here. When universal health care was proposed in the 90's, opposition was not labeled as "sexist" because the most vocal proponent was Hillary Clinton.

For the current administration, opposition to major legislation inevitably gets tagged as racist by some leader on the left. The weapon here is meant to silence valid criticism/debate of political policy.


so you're playing the "you're playing the race card" card?

did HRC ever have to provide a birth certificate?

any look at the narrative, images, and discussion since the election of Obama and the rise of the Tea Party demonstrates that race and, even more specifically, "otherness" is designed not to object to specific points of policy but to whip up broad-based generalized opposition to anything Obama amongst the base of the GOP such that it has become a Dixie-based protest movement and does not function as an actual political party in a liberal democracy.
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Ann Coulter is invited to speak on the major news channels.
Does she appear on anything other than Fox News?
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