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Old 06-19-2009, 07:21 PM   #91
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Sure. But the free world needs some way to show the protesters support. That will provide some of the moral backing to keep them motivated.
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Old 06-19-2009, 07:45 PM   #92
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They'd know exactly what they're doing and where their support is. Other world leaders have been more explicit in their support, but really, the "we're watching, we can see you" line is what would be most important.
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:43 AM   #93
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Sure. But the free world needs some way to show the protesters support. That will provide some of the moral backing to keep them motivated.


the actions of Google, Twitter, youtube, etc. are all exactly what is needed right now -- and the State Department has done a great job promoting this.

this is soft power in action.
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:15 AM   #94
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Are we all fully content with the way our own governments are responding at this point?
Yes. Our concerns should remain as citizens of the world, rather than citizens of such and such nation.
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:54 AM   #95
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I watched the speech and even though Obama has been very measured, the SL still took potshots at the U.S.

So what if the question was phrased:
If we are damned if we do/damned if we don't with regard to being outspoken against the situation, then what is the net positive to either option?

If they are going to attack the U.S. for 'injecting' itself and it's 'Zionist' friends, then would it help or exacerbate the problem to come out with a more hardline approach?

I would think that staying 'cool' on the subject keeps you in good standing with moderates who can see through the propaganda. So I don't know in any case that coming out forcefully helps. How could it help?
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:09 AM   #96
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Sure. But the free world needs some way to show the protesters support. That will provide some of the moral backing to keep them motivated.
Don't know. If you think back at, for example the Hungary revolution, that was exactly the message perceived by them. But then the Soviets moved in and no one came for help. No one could've come for help. And it's the same here.

I guess the number of people who are really looking for a revolution is too small to be effective. Most protesters seem to be outraged over the apparent voter's fraud, but they are not going to overthrow the system.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:37 PM   #97
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Iran June 20, 2009

YouTube - BBC: Protest in Iran Saturday-20-june-2009, Basij and security are shooting at people brutality
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Don't know. If you think back at, for example the Hungary revolution, that was exactly the message perceived by them. But then the Soviets moved in and no one came for help. No one could've come for help. And it's the same here.

I guess the number of people who are really looking for a revolution is too small to be effective. Most protesters seem to be outraged over the apparent voter's fraud, but they are not going to overthrow the system.
If parts of the Iranian military and Revolutionary Guards joined the protest, then there might be a chance to overthrow the system. Right now though, there has yet to be any sign of that.
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Yes. Our concerns should remain as citizens of the world, rather than citizens of such and such nation.
Well said.....
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According to a recent Twitter (I just joined a few mins ago in order to follow events in Iran so not sure if that's the right lingo), some of the Western embassies are taking in injured protestors.
The UK and the US don't have embassies in Tehran so they can still claim to be uninvolved in the situation.

ETA: After further research, I think the Brits have an embassy there after all...
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Moussavi says he's ready for martyrdom. No matter what happens, a movement has been born.



Actually, now that I think about it, perhaps now is the time to take out their nuke facilities.
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Moussavi says he's ready for martyrdom. No matter what happens, a movement has been born.



Actually, now that I think about it, perhaps now is the time to take out their nuke facilities.
I think you are serious
an attack would galvanize support behind the current leadership
the whole country would be united, instantly.
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I think you are serious
an attack would galvanize support behind the current leadership
the whole country would be united, instantly.


yes.
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According to a recent Twitter (I just joined a few mins ago in order to follow events in Iran so not sure if that's the right lingo)
Me too...never thought the day would come. Add me (martinanik)!
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Ron Paul Is Sole Dissenter From Resolution Supporting Iranian Protests

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The House voted 405-1 today for a resolution in support of the Iranian dissidents and condemning the ruling government. And the one man who opposed it was...Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).



Paul's full floor statement

I rise in reluctant opposition to H Res 560, which condemns the Iranian government for its recent actions during the unrest in that country. While I never condone violence, much less the violence that governments are only too willing to mete out to their own citizens, I am always very cautious about "condemning" the actions of governments overseas. As an elected member of the United States House of Representatives, I have always questioned our constitutional authority to sit in judgment of the actions of foreign governments of which we are not representatives. I have always hesitated when my colleagues rush to pronounce final judgment on events thousands of miles away about which we know very little. And we know very little beyond limited press reports about what is happening in Iran.

Of course I do not support attempts by foreign governments to suppress the democratic aspirations of their people, but when is the last time we condemned Saudi Arabia or Egypt or the many other countries where unlike in Iran there is no opportunity to exercise any substantial vote on political leadership? It seems our criticism is selective and applied when there are political points to be made. I have admired President Obama's cautious approach to the situation in Iran and I would have preferred that we in the House had acted similarly.

I adhere to the foreign policy of our Founders, who advised that we not interfere in the internal affairs of countries overseas. I believe that is the best policy for the United States, for our national security and for our prosperity. I urge my colleagues to reject this and all similar meddling resolutions.
Ron Paul Is Sole Dissenter From Resolution Supporting Iranian Protests | Ron Paul Wins! | Campaign for Liberty at the Daily Paul
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