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Old 05-25-2011, 05:36 PM   #16
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Indeed they do. It's a blessing that I don't follow hockey at all
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:13 PM   #17
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I agree 110% with Indy on this.

I guess there IS a first time for everything.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:57 PM   #18
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I agree 110% with Indy on this.

I guess there IS a first time for everything.



Hope I didn't tarnish your FYM cred.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:38 PM   #19
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It doesn't seem coercive and the problems that people have with it are more a reflection upon them than the family.
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Gender is gender, why try to be so psychoanalytical about it? Do they just want their names in the paper? I'm sure we're all for parents letting their kids discover their own identity but these people are clearly idiots. In my opinion anyway.
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It doesn't seem coercive and the problems that people have with it are more a reflection upon them than the family.


eh ... one can only intellectualize child rearing so far. there is the real world the child will have to be equipped to deal with, and this doesn't strike me as a particularly healthy way to begin. we could argue this intellectually, but things like gender are felt rather than merely understood, and the big media to-do over this strikes me as a bit media whorish.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:32 AM   #22
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Making their other kids keep the baby's sex a secret isn't coercive?

I think there's an unrealistically extreme view of the strength of the individual relative to society implicit in this discover-your-own-gender philosophy, as if all we started out life as these self-contained, autonomous little monads who can critically survey social customs from a distance and strategically pick and choose what benefits us most. That just doesn't seem to be how identity formation works. It's not that it's the opposite of that either--obviously we're all on a continuum, and some people never fit comfortably into their birth-assigned genders no matter how forcibly we socialize them--but this seems like the opposite extreme. Whether the gender expectations we do explicitly and implicitly impose on our children will serve them well in the society we're raising them for, and how as parents we should handle those children who do experience serious problems fitting in by gender...those to me are more urgent questions than what might happen if you keep your baby's sex a secret, or which clothing items and hairstyles your child might choose if you offered him/her no direction whatsoever.

This couple's children are all still very young, though. At least from what I've read, children up to around 5 or so have a much more fluid concept of gender than do older children anyway. Not in the sense that they won't readily identify as boy/girl if asked, or display certain stereotypical preferences, but in the sense that they don't really grasp how illogical it is to imagine yourself growing up to be a ballerina one day, then a professional baseball player the next, and basically regard both as actual possibilities in the moment.
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This was mentioned in another article: the reason the kids are 'unschooled'? Because they got picked on at regular school and didn't want to go back. Really healthy
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:53 AM   #24
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It doesn't seem coercive and the problems that people have with it are more a reflection upon them than the family.
Now you're just being contrarian. I don't believe for a second you really think that
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:54 AM   #25
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This was mentioned in another article: the reason the kids are 'unschooled'? Because they got picked on at regular school and didn't want to go back. Really healthy
are you implying avoidance isn't vital for personal growth and maturity? that's crazy talk.
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They ARE making choices for their child-and yes, a child is not a social experiment. They seem to have that whole we're so much more enlightened and superior in our parenting skills thing going on. It's like a flip side of Tiger Mom-or a different, laid back hippie version.

Gender and gender roles and stereotypes, those are all very important issues. They could clearly state whether Storm is a boy or a girl and still allow for so many freedoms regarding gender. I agree that boys and girls should not have to conform to any and all gender stereotypes.
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This was mentioned in another article: the reason the kids are 'unschooled'? Because they got picked on at regular school and didn't want to go back. Really healthy
That just doesn't make a lot of sense given that the other children are 5 and 2.
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^ I was puzzled by that too. At what age do children usually start kindergarten in Canada (or is kindergarten even required)?
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:33 PM   #29
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http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/b...-gender-secret

I don't know why that wouldn't make sense. 5 is kindergarten age and there's also jr kindergarten
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Pre-school is becoming compulsory in my area, so, no a five year old in school is not shocking.


Wasn't there a thread a while back for a couple that was raising their daughter as a boy?
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