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Old 11-07-2009, 08:07 AM   #1
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Fort Hood Shootings

The mother who brought down the Fort Hood killer - Times Online



A good cop who took down a traitor to his fellow soldiers and country that he promised to protect.

Let's hope our commander in chief doesn't claim she acted stupidly.

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Old 11-07-2009, 08:47 AM   #2
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Where is her beer invitation?

Hmmmmm.......
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Of course, I wonder how much evidence does have to pile up before one can claim that this shooter was an enemy without being accused of racism.

The people that promoted him, should face consequences as well.
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Let this also be understood:

This should not be considered a hate crime, it had nothing to do with hate.

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I'm glad he's still alive, if only so he can (hopefully) answer the question "why?"
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I'm glad he's still alive, if only so he can (hopefully) answer the question "why?"
I was thinking this is his worst nightmare, being taken down by a strong woman who is in his mind is should be considered an infidel.

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He's already bungled things up the day after, showing his ineptness.

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I was thinking this is his worst nightmare, being taken down by a strong woman who is in his mind is should be considered an infidel.

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Can we wait to find out if religious bullshittery was the reason for his rampage before we start that crap?

I will admit that the details I've heard are not looking good on that front, but can you for once in your life just knock it off?
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Can we wait to find out if religious bullshittery was the reason for his rampage before we start that crap?

I will admit that the details I've heard are not looking good on that front, but can you for once in your life just knock it off?
That he was a religious person is undeniable.

Let's see how this person engaged in this terrorist act:

He planned it out weeks to months in advance.

He posted anti American statements on the internet while being a member of US Military=Treason.

He wore his religious Muslim clothes often and visited his Mosque often.

He counseled wounded American Veterans that he actually was sympathetic for the jihadists.

He shouted: "God Is Great" before killing unarmed American soldiers, but let's leave religion and his religious beliefs out of it.

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Can we wait to find out if religious bullshittery was the reason for his rampage before we start that crap?

I will admit that the details I've heard are not looking good on that front, but can you for once in your life just knock it off?
Thank you.

There is NO justification for his actions. But, before we just go off on this guy as a "religious crazy" let's realize that there is an extreme religious element in the military, and it needs to be kept in check.

Welcome to Military Religious Freedom Foundation

Non-Christians in the military can face a lot of discrimination. Again, absolutely NO justification, but this is a chance to bring to light that some in the military are doing it more for GOD than God and country.
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There is NO justification for his actions. But, before we just go off on this guy as a "religious crazy" let's realize that there is an extreme religious element in the military, and it needs to be kept in check.


That's what were trying to do here, moving forward.

And had he been in check for his whacked out religious views, and anti US military statements-this wouldn't of happened.

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If it turns out that religion was indeed the motivation for this (and I did already say "it doesn't look good on that front," so throwing a list at me wasn't really necessary), my heart breaks for all the Muslims in America who now have another "bad one" representing them.

The man is the enemy because he attacked and killed his fellow soldiers. Regardless of his motivation.
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If it turns out that religion was indeed the motivation for this (and I did already say "it doesn't look good on that front," so throwing a list at me wasn't really necessary), my heart breaks for all the Muslims in America who now have another "bad one" representing them.

The man is the enemy because he attacked and killed his fellow soldiers. Regardless of his motivation.
His motivation was what it was and that is already apparent.

A bad Muslim doesn't represent good Muslims.



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That's what were trying to do here, moving forward.


no, you're just trying to fabricate a cheap dig at Obama.

anyway, if you insist on pushing the anti-Muslim angle as well, then i suggest the armed forces desperately need a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy when it comes to religion.

no one may speak about their religion, no one may wear anything that gives away their religion, and if we catch you going to a mosque, temple, or church on sunday, you can be reported and you will be honorably discharged.
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anyway, if you insist on pushing the anti-Muslim angle as well, then i suggest the armed forces desperately need a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy when it comes to religion.

no one may speak about their religion, no one may wear anything that gives away their religion, and if we catch you going to a mosque, temple, or church on sunday, you can be reported and you will be honorably discharged.
Wouldn't that take away from freedom of religion, which is in the Constitution and what the troops fight for?
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Wouldn't that take away from freedom of religion, which is in the Constitution and what the troops fight for?
Some people in the military are already doing that themselves. There are documented cases of Jewish members of the Air Force Academy openly being called "Jesus Killers." There is a radical Christian presence in the military, and it is creating a harmful atmosphere.

This situation needs to be brought out into the open and talked about.

When a child at a school shoots his classmates, it is perfectly acceptable to question the bullying that may have taken place and possibly lead the child to act. It doesn't excuse the act, but it helps to identify the situation and change it for the future.

If this soldier is just put out there as a Muslim terrorist without any investigation of the broader circumstances and atmosphere, then this can continue to happen and all Muslims serving in the military will be looked at with a jaded eye.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation that I linked to earlier is trying to bring this to America's attention.
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The people that promoted him, should face consequences as well.
Amen (if this thing plays out the way it seems to be going)
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Careful Diamond, we cannot blame religion even if he were publicly saying things that indicate he had a religious motive.

See, it is not his fault. He potentially had been teased and bullied. When you are teased and bullied it trumps the fact that he may have, based on all other facts, been motivated to act by his religion.

If you continue down this road you will be labeled a racist my friend. Your thread will be closed, despite the fact that there is evidence the man's religion may have been a factor. And you will face the scourge of an angry FYM crowd.

There are extremists everywhere - that is a fact - and they cause more problems than they solve in this world.

Everything I read, indicates this man was motivated by his religious beliefs. Shame on the military for not catching up to him before this happened.

And yes, shame on our President for not making this his opening remark.

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President Franklin D. Roosevelt: Yesterday, December 7, 1941—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our secretary of state a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday the Japanese government also launched as attack against Malaya.

Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night Japanese forces attacked Wake Island.

And this morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense. But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us. . .
Let's rewrite FDR into what we saw the other night....

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"Thank you very much! Thank you Very Much! Thanks Joe for the wonderful introduction. I am so totally excited to be here at this gathering with you. My goodness this is great. While we are at it, thank you so much to all of the congressional people gathered here and the members of my cabinet who showed up to participate in this event. Thanks for being here. You all are doing such a great job. Thanks for your efforts. This is just the beginning. We are going to follow up and this is our TOP prioirity for us. We are not going to give lip service to this. I plan to make some much broader comments about the challenges that lay ahead. Oh, and by the way, Japan attacked us. We do not know the details. A number of Americans have been killed. More were wounded. My prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen for those who serve at Pearl Harbor. It is difficult to lose these men and women. It is terrible that they were attacked on American soil. I am getting information from everyone to check into this. Let's not rush to judgement so we can get some answers. There is no greater responsibility to make sure our men and women in uniform are safe when they are home. Let's keep them in our prayers. But let's get back to this top priority and our work at this conference."

Yep...FDR...what the hell was he thinking? LOL

You are damn right I find this offensive. I wore this countries uniform, and the fact that this man did not see fit to address this as his "TOP" priority at that moment sickens me. These men and women should have been the first thing he spoke about.

I have cut this president slack, because like poker, sometimes you get dealt a shite hand. Well this is not Bush's fault. This happened on his watch and anyone wearing the uniform of this country deserves to be the "TOP" priority. PERIOD. You cannot fix everything Mr. President. What has happened to the native people cannot be fixed today or tomorrow.

Those soldiers and families at Fort Hood should have been the TOP priority at that moment. That should have been your opening remark, and by now you or your vice-president should have been to Fort Hood to be with them.
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