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Old 09-16-2009, 01:11 PM   #16
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Obviously to make a blanket statement about racism being involved in any and all criticisms of Obama is completely ridiculous. And he'd be the first one to say so. I don't think he needs Pres Carter to sound off about it and add to his problems.

But I believe there is a racist element in some people who are campaigning against him. What are they doing with such things unless they're trying to somehow play to racist elements?

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Old 09-16-2009, 01:18 PM   #17
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Rush Limbaugh couldn't resist trying to connect the brutal beating of one student by another on a school bus to President Obama, using it as an example of how Obama is somehow causing racism throughout the U.S.:

You put your kids on a school bus you expect safety but in Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering 'yeah, right on, right on, right on.' Of course everybody said the white kid deserved it he was born a racist, he's white.

In fact it would be Limbaugh who seems to have the racial hangup. The St. Louis-Dispatch reports that the beating was not racially motivated, as a Belleville police captain had originally speculated, but was instead incited by a pretty common dispute on school buses: choice of seating.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: "Obama's America - White Kids Now Get Beat Up By Blacks"
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:29 PM   #18
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That is not what he said at all, listen again.

Do you honestly think there is not a sizable portion of the teabag crowd that are racists?
I'm sure there must be some. But who is honestly taking them seriously?

I don't like the tea crowd very much either. There's a lot of ignorance going on over there and not a lot of thinking. But to jump to conclusions and start calling them all out to be racists is just stooping to their level. Does name calling really take us anywhere?

By being so paranoid about the race issue, we are only prolonging it.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:30 PM   #19
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I thought about something this morning related to the whole attempt to paint a significant portion of conservatives as racists...

Are there some crazy, racial, unnecessary signs at some of these events? Absolutely. Do they make up anywhere close to a significant percentage of the total participants? I highly doubt it. I think anyone trying to make these "conservative racists" claims needs to ask themselves a question. Let's say that Michael Steele or JC Watts ran for president, or was elected president. Do you think those people holding racially-based signs about Obama would be protesting Steele and Watts the same way? If your answer is "no, they wouldn't," then you cannot argue that their opposition to Obama is based solely on race, despite whatever dumb sign they're waving. If your answer is "yes, they would," then is it really fair to clump those people in with rational conservatives, when it is obvious they are not conservatives but across-the-board racists? To me it seems that a racist would be a racist, and would dislike a black Democrat just as much as a black Republican.

What am I missing?
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:31 PM   #20
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I don't think he needs Pres Carter to sound off about it and add to his problems.
I think some are overlooking the carefulness Carter put in his words:

"An overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated antimosity..."

He's only talking about the teabag protester types, and I believe he's right.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:34 PM   #21
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If someone isn't racist would they really want to hold a racist sign at their tea party? Or participate with others who are holding such signs ? Of course all of the signs aren't racist but a good deal of them are. If you're not racist then you should be ashamed of those signs and refuse to participate unless the demonstration is elevated to a higher level.

I have some disagreements with/concerns about Obama, ones that I think are pretty rational-but never in a million years would I resort to anything that had racial over or undertones.
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I thought about something this morning related to the whole attempt to paint a significant portion of conservatives as racists...
I don't think anyone is doing that, if so please show me.

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Are there some crazy, racial, unnecessary signs at some of these events? Absolutely. Do they make up anywhere close to a significant percentage of the total participants? I highly doubt it.
There's a lot of racism that you and iron horse have not been able to recognise in the past. Maybe because you are used to it being so ingrained into social conservatism, so I posted some of the more obvious signs but there are a lot that I don't think you would even recognize as racist. Racist, like all other walks of life come in subtle packages as well.

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I think anyone trying to make these "conservative racists" claims needs to ask themselves a question. Let's say that Michael Steele or JC Watts ran for president, or was elected president. Do you think those people holding racially-based signs about Obama would be protesting Steele and Watts the same way? If your answer is "no, they wouldn't," then you cannot argue that their opposition to Obama is based solely on race, despite whatever dumb sign they're waving. If your answer is "yes, they would," then is it really fair to clump those people in with rational conservatives, when it is obvious they are not conservatives but across-the-board racists? To me it seems that a racist would be a racist, and would dislike a black Democrat just as much as a black Republican.

What am I missing?
I don't think anyone is saying it's SOLELY based on race either. You and others were asked and never did we hear an answer, why did you start protesting after Obama won when Bush was doing the same thing that you claim the protests are about?
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that you would never, ever give the anti-war protesters even a second of this kind of consideration?
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:10 PM   #24
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What am I missing?
What you're missing is what we've all been waiting for: Some Republican leadership.

Where are the reasonable Republicans leading the conservatives in a reasonable opposition to Obama? Where are the reasonable Republicans calming down the whackos? Why are Republican leaders allowing talk show host and nutjobs to define the conservative position?
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well if you look at the word racism, it kind of is.

race - a classification of humans baised on certain physical traits
ism - a distinctive doctrine, system, or theory

anytime you bring up race in an issue, it is racism.
Again a nice package for white conservatives to mail to each other. Look up the actual definition of racism.

Race is a legitimate subject in may conversations, especially given some of the things these idiots have been saying.
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By being so paranoid about the race issue, we are only prolonging it.
Exactly. Now that we have a black president, it's all over.


Seriously?
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I think there's something still very sheltered in those who cannot walk away from their own very strong viewpoints to consider another side for just a minute, like this church goer you mentioned. People who can't expand their horizons to examine other arguments and points of view are ignorant, and as a result, sheltered. I share your concerns on those who are so easily manipulated and led to one belief. It's as frustrating as those who think there are only two viewpoints and if you don't share theirs, then you must automatically think/believe the contrary. Maybe in black and white land (excuse the pun), but not over here in reality.
I believe people who shelter themselves from other viewpoints could have emotional problems. I believe this because I have relatives who textbook racists, and of course, hate Obama. These relatives of mine are emotionally disturbed, judging by their comments about Obama, blacks and liberals. I think it may have to do with their bad experiences with minorities that happened decades ago. Instead of getting over what happened, they've let that hate infest their minds and their hatred grew and grew, and now with Obama as president, it is out of control - so much so it is scary. So, I believe racism has a lot to do with emotional and mental problems.
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Exactly. Now that we have a black president, it's all over.


you're still not helping, Martha. you just noted that we do, indeed, have a "black" president.

we have to stop saying such things. if we stop talking about black people, maybe they'll stop being black.

and then we won't have these problems.
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