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Old 10-19-2011, 02:46 PM   #1
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For my friends on the Left: Who do you feel is Obama's most formidable opponent among

For my friends on the Left: Who do you feel is Obama's most formidable opponent among the current Republican contenders?

I mean who of the contenders likes below makes you think, 'oh sh*t if President Obama runs against that candidate we're doomed'?


Please be a registered voter and avowed Obama supporter to answer.
You are also encouraged to attach your reason(s) forthwith.

Here are your choices:

Rick Perry
Newt Gingrich
Michelle Bachman
Mitt Romney
Herman Cain
Ron Paul
Rick Santorium
Jon Huntsbreath

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Are we basing this on issues or emotion?
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No.
Did you not understand the question, BVS?


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Why do you have to be an "avowed Obama supporter" to answer?
I'd probably vote for Huntsman over Obama but nobody else. Does that count?

The most formidable opponent would likely be one of the Right conservatives. Because of the stark contrast. Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, Cain, and Bachman. And since most of them are either easily painted as 'crazypants' or inarticulate or unelectable by some stretch, the only person here to fear is a guy that will NEVER get the nomination. And I think that is Newt Gingrich. Because he could slap Obama around in debates. Outside of that, Obama's most formidable opponent might very well be his Sec of State.

But anyway, Romney can't beat Obama head to head, for any number of reasons.
Most of which goes to the principle of the man, not his religion or his health policy in MA.
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Did you not understand mine?

If based on issues: none of them, even if I was a conservative I would feel this way. They're either lost, hypocrite or both each and every one of them.

Based on emotion, in other words, this socialist has to be removed, then Romney or Perry; although I think both will be a reluctant vote for conservatives.
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Purely from my gut and removing the party crap that may or may not allow the person to get through the primary system, and not factoring VP choices,
Ron Paul is the person I'd LEAST like to see on the ballot against Obama.

I think Paul (allowed to be Paul but with his party machine behind him) could get enough independents to win in 2012.
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If based on issues: none of them
But Obama can win on issues and his record? That's quite a sell...

I don't meet the criteria to answer the question, but if you look at the electoral map, I'd say it has to be Romney. He'd have a very good shot of winning NH (at least judging by the few head-to-head polls coming out of there), and in a close election, that could prove crucial. As would a number of states that Romney at least has a shot in that probably no other Republican does.
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:58 PM   #8
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Romney has little chance to beat Obama.
His political leverage would be reduced to the anti-Obama crowd that is going to vote for the Republican no matter what. He can't hold the same 'middle' he covets. Most of the more liberal among that crowd will go to Obama when he drags out the same ol' tired Republican dogma...and the rest don't think the man is genuine...probably because he is anything but.

He has stood on both sides of almost all pertinent issues. And just because Rick Perry can't articulate this argument doesn't mean that President Obama can't. There is no real contrast there.

Look at what the Bushies did to John Kerry. They drew, as hideous as it was, a stark contrast with Kerry on several fronts. Including a single issue which they labeled Kerry a flip-flopper because he opposed a bill that had a late poison-pill amendment attached to it. And it likely worked, to some extent or another.

By default, Romney doesn't carry the same conservative gravitas as a Bush. Look at what happened to the moderate McCain when he tried to sell himself as a 'real' conservative. Maybe he wins in 2008 if the economy doesn't collapse...it's hard to say but maybe it's beside the point. But ultimately my point is, McCain lost the middle because they saw the McCain they loved (the lovable moderate who hosts SNL) turn into some form of 'classic DC politician'.

Resistance to Romney isn't isolated to religious bigots and fervent Tea Party anti-Obamacare folk. If you believe that, you're probably just listening to the same detached 'pundits' who fail to 'predict' the obvious. Otherwise, with Romney's brilliant political knack for nuanced, yet simple argumentation and a fantastic acumen for being slippery, he'd have already wiped the floor with this sad Republican field.

But he can't. Why? I'm telling you why.
But if you choose to believe those other explanations, which include the caricatures and stereotypes about the Republican base, and many of you do, then you'll continue to be confused. Suit yourself.
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But Obama can win on issues and his record? That's quite a sell...
I should clarify a little. If the electorate understood the issues a little more than the answer would be yes to your question.
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But Obama can win on issues and his record? That's quite a sell...

I don't meet the criteria to answer the question, but if you look at the electoral map, I'd say it has to be Romney. He'd have a very good shot of winning NH (at least judging by the few head-to-head polls coming out of there), and in a close election, that could prove crucial. As would a number of states that Romney at least has a shot in that probably no other Republican does.


generally agree.

though i think Obama is in a better position now than a month ago.

the issue is the unemployment rate. the voters will decide how much of that is his fault.

i think Obama will win by a greater margin than in 2008 if he's up against anyone but Romney.
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The issue is 100 % the unemployment rate and the economy. Obama is doomed by those two things, not by any of those candidates. I'm a registered voter but not an avowed Obama supporter.
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Jon Huntsbreath
What's your problem with him?
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he spent time in a santorium

the election only comes down to 5-8 states

and as 2861U2 has stated, Romney is best situated to win in those states.

Ron Paul would lose big, yes he appeals to libertarians, young people and some independents. He is one of those candidates that does alienate a good portion of the base. If Kucinich ever got the Democratic nomination he would lose big, also.

Checking the polls, Cain seems to be doing better than Perry. I keep writing Cain off, I could be wrong.
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Ron Paul sympathizes with the unemployed and says people shouldn't blame the victims. I thought some people in the audience might start booing him for that last night. So yeah, I think that for starters might be alienating to some of the base.
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Huntsman. He sounds like the most reasonable of the bunch and comes across as running against Obama instead of the other 7 wack jobs.
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