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Old 03-14-2014, 11:54 PM   #76
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The data transmitted was not Rolls Royce engine data, as WSJ initially reported. However, there was some data sent from the plane to satellites, owned by a company called Inmarsat, for five-ish hours after the last air traffic control transmission.
OK, that's what I thought, it was just the way the article Bomac posted phrased it, making me think it was the same thing WSJ was saying.
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:58 PM   #77
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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Malaysian official says investigators conclude missing jet was hijacked, steered off-course.

I'm waiting for some kind of article to back this up. All I'm seeing right now are news services passing on the headline.


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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.
The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.
The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."
The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back and crossed back over the Malaysian peninsula westward, after setting out toward the Chinese capital.
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Old 03-15-2014, 02:02 AM   #78
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Ugh. Also just received word that one of the passengers worked for my office while she was in grad school. Just awful. She was such a sweetheart.

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Old 03-15-2014, 02:27 AM   #79
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Ugh. Also just received word that one of the passengers worked for my office while she was in grad school. Just awful. She was such a sweetheart.

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I'm sorry to hear that .


The Malaysian PM is speaking now, I guess.

Bob Woodruff ‏@BobWoodruff 27m I asked the Malaysia Prime Minister if they are searching the homes of the pilots. He wouldn't respond. @ABC pic.twitter.com/N0K5b6lPJQ
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:23 AM   #80
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Unless someone wants to use the plane as a bomb, like its a Tom Clancy novel.

I don't think that's true, but at this point, who can say?
I suppose the key point here is that you can't just land a 777 anywhere, so the probability of it actually secretly landing at an airport ahead of future terrorist use is very remote.

Though everything's getting really bizarre now with reports like this (from the Guardian's live blog):

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The plane could have landed in Kyrgyzstan or China, according to Malaysian officials.
And then there's this, the two possible last known location ranges based on the satellite pings: https://twitter.com/sunshinesulin/st...868482/photo/1
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:31 AM   #81
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Yeah, he described two massive "corridors" that the plane could be in. One of which is over land and one of which is over water.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:36 AM   #82
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I suppose the key point here is that you can't just land a 777 anywhere, so the probability of it actually secretly landing at an airport ahead of future terrorist use is very remote.
And pretty unlikely to be what was attempted. If you wanted to steal a plane for 'terrorist' uses (or whatever) later on, choosing an airliner owned by one of the worlds larger airlines in a 'busy' part of the world, presumably a long way from your intended destination, packed with 200+ unpredictable passengers, who (sorry to say) would require dealing with at some point, seems like the most difficult way to go about it. Some 5th rate airline in Africa (lax security, lax radar, likely closer to 'wherever' without flying over high risk territories), or a cargo plane (no passengers) would be far, far better and 'easier'.

More likely it was a political highjacking that didn't work out? Never made it to a destination where the hostage/negotiation games were to begin. Or the suicide option. Fly it way out to the middle of the Indian Ocean in the hope of it never being found and thus avoiding the shame of it all - forever suggested, but formally a mystery.

Whatever it was, seems there's no doubt it was experienced piloting.
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:49 PM   #83
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this line struck me as i came across it:

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Update, March 15, 9:10 a.m.: When the flight first disappeared from air traffic controllers’ radar a week ago, the default assumption was that the plane had crashed. Now it seems unlikely that a plot as ingeniously planned and carefully executed as this one would not also have included plans for safe arrival at some ultimate destination. As I reported earlier, the 777 is capable of landing on small airstrips and on relatively unimproved surfaces, such as packed dirt and dry lake beds. In such a scenario, the odds are good that, unless they were murdered, the passengers remain alive. The motives and intentions of whoever took MH370 remain as murky as ever, but possibilities include a hostage scenario, the repurposing of the aircraft as an enormous flying bomb, or some combination of these and other outcomes.

Flight 370 disappearance: Missing airliner apparently flew to Central Asia.
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Yeah a lot of people are discussing that. What if it was plotted to be stolen. It could then be used by a terrorist organization for another 9/11 or to put a bomb on board and fly it somewhere. Hence why they wouldn't claim any responsibility.

But if it were landed in a hangar, wouldn't people on board then have been able to use cell phones (I doubt they would've all been killed)? Or been picked up on a satellite?

It's kind of odd...if it were crashed on purpose, what is the point? Pilot or someone wanting to commit suicide? That is some really well thought out suicide, which seems unlikely though I guess possible. If it was crashed as a terrorist act then it is very odd, because Terrorists like things public. This is the total opposite of public, nobody knows what is happening.
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The passengers could have rushed the hi-jackers, or pilot resulting in a crashed plane, like Flight 93 on 911.
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Maybe^. But I just heard a pilot on cable news say the reason for the plane inexplicably going up to 45K feet could have been so that it would kill all the passengers. He said you'd have only about 3 seconds of oxygen at 45K feet. This assumes, quite obviously, that the pilot would have put on oxygen beforehand.
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Maybe^. But I just heard a pilot on cable news say the reason for the plane inexplicably going up to 45K feet could have been so that it would kill all the passengers. He said you'd have only about 3 seconds of oxygen at 45K feet. This assumes, quite obviously, that the pilot would have put on oxygen beforehand.

You have three seconds of consciousness at 45,000 feet if the cabin is unpressurized. I don't believe that a 777's cabin would lose pressurization by going 4,000 feet above its rated cruising altitude range, but I could be wrong.
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But if it were landed in a hangar, wouldn't people on board then have been able to use cell phones (I doubt they would've all been killed)? Or been picked up on a satellite?
If it were indeed terrorists behind this, they would certainly block the signals. So no phone contact would be made.
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If the plane managed to land somewhere, the passengers certainly would have been killed. The only reason for keeping them alive would have been as a negotiation or blackmail tool, and we would know about that by now. What likely happened was that the cabin pressurisation was switched off (easy to do) and the passengers would have passed out or died as the plane climbed. This has happened before by accident. The good news (?!?) is that this would have been painless - like going to sleep - and this was a red eye flight as well, so plenty possibly were already asleep, or seriously drowsy anyway.
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I'm wondering if anyone involved knew if there was any valuable cargo on board. It might be more of a theft than a politically or terror-related hijacking.

Oh, sure, that sounds far-fetched, but at this point who can really say?
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