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Old 12-05-2012, 08:24 PM   #31
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:59 AM   #32
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Everyone in America says that, but then everyone in America throws a fit whenever what the other side wants is enacted. "Compromise" means "the other side needs to do what I want". This is far from unique to the politicians.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:46 AM   #33
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This is true. But right now I just want a deal that actually looks like people put it together with the average Americans in mind. I just want them to actually come up with something instead of another stalling technique that would force this issue further down the road again so we can go through all this mess again a year or two from now. Whether it's a compromise or not, just quit playing stupid games and do something.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:12 PM   #34
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Agreed. Lets cut public education.

I agree.

The Department of Education is a waste of $$$.
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I agree.

The Department of Education is a waste of $$$.
What would you propose as an alternative?
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Tax study after tax study shows that this deduction disproportionally helps two groups of people:
1. the relatively wealthy who are spending $1M+ on a house
2. the ones who are borderline middle/upper middle class but live in expensive urban areas where they have to stretch themselves beyond their comfortable means.
Middle class homeowners would take a hit too - a few thousand a year means a lot to them. I think a good approach would be to eliminate the deduction on investment properties or second homes. Home prices would fall in either case - they currently have the mortgage interest deduction factored in.
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I agree.

The Department of Education is a waste of $$$.


I'd rather just layoff teachers.
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What would you propose as an alternative?

home school

if people want to have kids they should take responsibility and educate them
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Allowing the states and local school districts to run the schools,
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Would children in Mississippi have the same educational opportunities as those in Massachusetts?

I fear that the red states would fall even further behind and would become even more reliant on the blue states if they are solely responsible for the public education of their citizens.
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Would children in Mississippi have the same educational opportunities as those in Massachusetts?

I fear that the red states would fall even further behind and would become even more reliant on the blue states if they are solely responsible for the public education of their citizens.


I am a public school teacher and I understand that this is a very complex issue on several levels, but as a libertarian I believe these issues can be best addresed by the states and local school districts.
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Allowing the states and local school districts to run the schools,
not the federal government.
What on earth is wrong with a nationally consistent educational system? Obviously you've got a massive country there, but I think it'd be much better to ensure children have the same opportunities and same educational standards no matter where they are than allowing a confusing proliferation of standards, funding, curricula, etc.

The differences between state educational systems in Australia are quite frustrating at times, but the wheels are turning painfully slowly on implementing the new national curriculum. Not, mind you, due to bureaucratic wrangling, but because of certain subjects and curricula being over-politicised by wankers more interested in soundbite point-scoring on the nightly news than actually educating children.
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I do not understand why I should trust state and local governments so much more than the federal government. Maybe it's because my state government is even more corrupt than the feds, but this whole "localize everything" magic pill that the right suggests never makes any sense to me. A lot of righties will cop out on same-sex marriage with an argument about states' issues that just makes zero sense to me. What the hell is the difference?
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I believe these issues can be best addresed by the states and local school districts.
that's...cute.

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this whole "localize everything" magic pill that the right suggests never makes any sense to me.
yeah, this. what makes a state know more than the entire nation, exactly? no one stops to think how utterly confusing it would be for a child if they were to pick up and move mid-school year. that's already hard enough, but to find out the school in their new state are teaching completely different things? it's a surefire way to ensure said kid flunks for the year.

you say that's a small minority of kids (it actually happens more than you think)? well, what about just that all kids in the nation should graduate high school knowing the same thing? of course that's hoping they all actually pay attention to everything, but if we have some schools choosing not to teach grammar because it isn't important or some schools not teaching any vocabulary so those kids can only use tiny words, or some kids think photosynthesis has to do with a camera - and it's all because states get to pick what they want to teach? let's not even get into geography.

it needs to be set at a national level (as pretty much every country does) so every kid can hopefully have the same education, whether they live in oklahoma or ohio. if we leave it up to the states, who knows what the states will decide to start teaching. i'd be terrified of what tennessee would start teaching if they got to pick.
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It's incredible how incompetent my state's government can be on educational issues, even when money isn't an issue. It ofter prefers a nice mixture of right-wing revisionism and well intentioned but dumb curriculum decisions. When I was in high school, luckily, at least the AP teachers has a propensity to treat state curriculum requirements as, ahh, recommendations.
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