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Old 12-04-2008, 01:04 AM   #61
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However, there is nothing inherently religious about Christmas trees, wreaths, and, at this point, even the word itself. And, let's face it, these elements take up most of the public's attention. The War On Christmas is just laughable.
I agree with everything here, except the word part...
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:11 AM   #62
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I watched the Rockefeller Christmas Tree lighting show last night, NBC is still calling it a Christmas tree. Al Roker said Merry Christmas too at the end, Jane Krakowski then said Happy Holidays. So it was all covered. Miley Cyrus sang Rocking Around The Christmas Tree, not holiday tree. I changed the channel when those Jonas Brothers were on-so they might be pc, I don't know.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:57 AM   #63
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Here's an interesting idea on how to handle Christmas - this coming from a Catholic priest!

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Here's my plan. First, we hand over December 25 to the corporations and let them have their way with it. Let Macy's, for example, tell us that the Christmas season starts not with Advent, but right after Halloween, since that's when they start decorating their stores anyway. Let Kohl's tell us that the appropriate way to begin Advent is not with the traditional evergreen wreath with four candles, but by camping out with surly crowds at 3 a.m. in front of their stores, so that you can buy an iPhone, or some other techno gadget you don't really need.

Give the corporations December 25. It will be our final Christmas present to them.

Then what? Well, the rest of us can celebrate what we could call New Christmas in, say, June. A useful model for New Christmas is Easter: minimum stress, maximum prayer. Easter catalogues do not sclerotically clog mailboxes in the springtime. Fistfights in overheated department stores do not herald the start of Lent. People don't obsess about how many Easter cards to send this year. When was the last time you heard someone complaining about pre-Easter stress, or having to attend too many Easter egg rolls?
Beliefnet presents Father James Martin on Christmas, Advent season, Advent Conspiracy - Beliefnet.com
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Bill O'Reilly has this this year

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Old 12-04-2008, 04:47 PM   #65
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I watched 5-10 mins of O'Reilly last night and in that time, I swear to you, he brought up a nativity scene issue.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:29 PM   #66
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It's that time of year again...

Her name's even Merry

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The Tea Party movement is supposed to be all about keeping the government out of your business. But if some California members get their way, the state will force public schoolchildren to sing Christmas carols.

It's called the "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative.

Merry Hyatt, a substitute teacher and member of the Redding Tea Party Patriots, is behind the push. The Redding Searchlight reports:

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Schools currently are allowed to offer Christmas music as long as it is used for academic purposes rather than devotional purposes and isn't used to promote a particular religious belief, according to an analysis by the California Legislative Analyst's Office.


Parents are allowed to have their students opt out of the caroling if they express that desire in advance.

"We were having Christmas without Jesus," Hyatt complained of her previous school district.

The initiative has the support of the local Tea Party Patriots president.

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

So much for limited government?

Taking that Christmas Spirit to the People
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Move over, Denver extraterrestrial commission initiative. We have a new contender for initiative of the year.

Today a brother and sister, David Joseph Hyatt and Merry Susan Hyatt (and yes, that's how she spells her first name, and there's no story behind it, she says), filed a ballot initiative at the attorney general's office that is entitled, "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School School Classrooms or Assemblies."

Your blogger, who enjoys caroling and attended a junior high that required everyone to sing "Let There Peace On Earth" at the end of the holiday pageant, was unaware that Christmas music was under threat. If so, the people should rise to the occasion and defend it. "Each public elementary and second school shall provide opportunities to its pupils for listening to or performing Christmas music at an appropriate time of year," says the measure. That may sound compulsory, but the initiative also requires schools to give parents three weeks' notice of Christmas music, and to allow them to opt out of having their children be a part of it.

When I reached Merry Hyatt by phone in Redding this afternoon, she explained that at her previous school district in California (she's a substitute teacher who lived in Riverside County but recently moved north), songs with specific Christmas content were barred from the holiday party. "We were having Christmas without Jesus," she says, which was just silly. She was unaware of any specific law or rule prohibiting them, but "people were just guessing that they shouldn't do it."

Hyatt said she didn't have "any money," much less the $2 million it typically costs to qualify for the measure. "I’m just going to have to go to the churches and do it for free," she told me.
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Tea "partiers" keeping the word 'hypocrite' alive
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exterminate the enemies of Christmas!
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:07 AM   #69
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In this socialist atheist country no one is ever taking issue with "Frohe Weihnachten" or nativity scenes etc.
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http://www.citizen-times.com/article...WS01/912080327

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ASHEVILLE — North Carolina's constitution is clear: politicians who deny the existence of God are barred from holding office.

Opponents of Cecil Bothwell are seizing on that law to argue he should not be seated as a City Council member today, even though federal courts have ruled religious tests for public office are unlawful under the U.S. Constitution.

Voters elected the writer and builder to the council last month.

“I'm not saying that Cecil Bothwell is not a good man, but if he's an atheist, he's not eligible to serve in public office, according to the state constitution,” said H.K. Edgerton, a former Asheville NAACP president.

Article 6, section 8 of the state constitution says: “The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.”

Rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution trump the restriction in the state constitution, said Bob Orr, executive director of the N.C. Institute for Constitutional Law.

“I think there's any number of federal cases that would view this as an imposition of a religious qualification and violate separation of church and state,” said Orr, a former state Supreme Court justice.

In 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Maryland's requirement for officials to declare belief in God violated the freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment.

Additionally, Article VI of the U.S. Constitution says: “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
What enlightened legislation!
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I'm Christian and I don't find using Season's Greetings or Happy Holidays as ridiculous. There are other holidays being celebrated during that time as well, to me telling everyone that walks into the door of your store "Merry Christmas" is just arrogantly saying only my holiday counts. Those that I know are Christians I say Merry Christmas to, those that I don't know I say Happy Holidays, it just seems like common courtesy to me.

If nutjobs really wanted to fight the war on Christmas fight the commercialization of the holiday, not the fact that some are acknowleding that other holidays exist.

This is exactly why evengelicals look so ridiculous they fight the fights that won't effect them, they never fight the difficult ones. They defend marriage by picking on the minority instead of looking at the huge divorce rate within their own church. They defend Christmas by bitching about the decorations or what's said at a store greeting but ignore the fact that walking into a store to buy your child an iPod is not what Christmas is...
Bravo! Well said. I am also a Christian.

I agree. Commercialization is not what Christmas is about. For me, it is a Holy Day. I attend church. Which, I also do through out the year. And I reflect on the teachings of Christ. I remember a priest at my church said to us once. "If you really want to celebrate Christmas, don't put up a tree, don't put up holiday lights, snowmen, etc. And don't buy or ask for gifts. Instead, give that money to those, who need it more than you do.
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I'm a Christian, but for me Christmas is primarily a secular holiday.
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I'm a Christian, but for me Christmas is primarily a secular holiday.
I'm an atheist and I feel the same way about Christmas.
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“I'm not saying that Cecil Bothwell is not a good man, but if he's an atheist, he's not eligible to serve in public office, according to the state constitution,” said H.K. Edgerton, a former Asheville NAACP president.
Shouldn't he know better that this is extremely stupid? Just substitute atheist with black, would he still believe the same? Or does it only apply to those who don't share the believe in god?

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Article 6, section 8 of the state constitution says: “The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.”
Reminds me of Almighty Quin.
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I'm a Christian, but for me Christmas is primarily a secular holiday.
You are right..it has become that. Though, I am the first to admit. I love buying presents for my family and friends. Since, all of us are working class. These gifts are much appreciated. I don't mind if non-christians want to celebrate Christmas. By wishing good will toward their fellow man/woman/child and exchange gifts, decorate, etc. It is their free choice. And this freedom is what makes, many of our countries, great.
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