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Old 11-26-2016, 12:29 AM   #1
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Fidel Castro Dead at 90

This time, it's for real.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/wo...imes&smtyp=cur

While his brother Raúl isn't going anywhere for a while, I don't think U.S. and Cuban relations would have been restored if Fidel was still in charge.
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Old 11-26-2016, 01:22 AM   #2
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Mixed feelings about him in general.

Some good, some negative.

That's all I will say for now.
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Truthfully I had forgotten that he was still alive.
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Old 11-27-2016, 08:56 PM   #4
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There's a lot to criticize about certain things in Cuba, most of it caused by the imperialistic United States empire which, to this day, continues to illegally occupy Guantanamo Bay and attempted over 600 assassination attempts on Fidel Castro, the decades long embargo that harmed innocent Cubans more than anything else. Cuba, under Castro, accomplished many positive things, most have gone unreported or underreported.
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:54 AM   #6
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There's a lot to criticize about certain things in Cuba, most of it caused by the imperialistic United States empire which, to this day, continues to illegally occupy Guantanamo Bay and attempted over 600 assassination attempts on Fidel Castro, the decades long embargo that harmed innocent Cubans more than anything else. Cuba, under Castro, accomplished many positive things, most have gone unreported or underreported.
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:29 AM   #7
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Another dictator bites the dust. One who probably killed more Cubans then Batista did and turned the place into a surveillance police state. A fact usually ignored by those sympathetic to socialism because he provided free education and healthcare. And he didn't need the US to turn Cuba into a police state, that is something that communist dictators are always fond of regardless. But damn the bastard was charming. And made a green uniform look good.

Even though I lean politically to the left I'd rather live under a right wing dictator of the 3rd world kind then a communist one. Communist ones tend to get a LOT more people killed as they want to control every aspect of society, including the hearts and minds of their subjects, whereas right wing dictators of the 3rd world kind tend to be only interested in lining their pockets. Whatever you do in private they generally couldn't care less.

So good riddance, Fidel, say hi to that other mass murderer, Che.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:27 AM   #8
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Despite all the revisionist painting (especially by self loathing, history ignorant American millennials) of Castro as some kind of benign socialist leader who made Cuba a "better" place during his half century plus brutal reign over the tiny nation, he was a tyrant who jailed and murdered uncounted "dissidents" who even voiced criticism of his rule. There was no "freedom of the press" and religious persecution was rampant. Cuba has consistently been noted by groups such as the UN and Amnesty International as a top 10 worst human rights offender. In quick order, Castro became that which he overthrew - in fact, he became much worse.

Prior to Castro overthrowing previous dictator Batista, Cuba, the most developed country in Latin America before the revolution, became relatively less developed and even more dependent on outside powers after the revolution, first on the Soviet Union, then on Venezuela. Cuba, by very nature of it's size and geography can never be a self-sustaining country especially under any form of socialism without massive imports and commerce.

It was his hand that led the country to embrace the Soviet handouts in the late 50's and 60's which in turn allowed Russia to stage nuclear missiles on the island putting the world the closest it's ever been to global nuclear war. This is what led to expanding the US trade embargo. And it should be noted that there was no physical (ie: warships surrounding the country, etc) blockade after the Cuban Missile Crisis ended, only the US trade embargo which didn't prevent Cuba from importing goods from other countries such as Russia and South America. It should also be noted, that despite the embargo, the US is still about the 6th highest exporter of goods to Cuba, mostly humanitarian commerce.

There is a reason that millions of Cuban refugees braved (and sometimes died) fleeing the country on makeshift boats to come to the US and it wasn't due to the wonderful free health care and education Cuba offered.

There is no room for revisionist history to absolve Castro. It falls along the lines of "Hitler started out good for Germany because he built roads and industry" or "Pablo Escobar built some schools, housing for the poor, and a few soccer fields and thus was a hero to the people."

With any luck, the rest of Castro's family will die or at least fall from positions of power in the coming decade.
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:20 PM   #9
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I think the situation has a lot of nuances and blurry history that we're never going to come to the truthful answer on...both sides made mistakes and I honestly feel that Fidel had the best intentions and tried to do a good job but went in the wrong direction time and again.

I don't really consider Cuban refugees to necessarily be political ones. In fact, I often find that their story has more to do with wanting an opportunity to make more money, just like so many other American immigrants. If you like Capitalism and were Cuban, then you probably thought he was a fucking monster and was constricting your ability to own a lot of things, I guess.

But then there's the actual political dissidents who were silenced, imprisoned or worse.
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