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Old 09-09-2010, 07:20 PM   #1
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Fidel Castro:Cuban Model Not Working

So, communisim is not working?



Report: Castro says Cuban model doesn't work - Yahoo! News
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Some are slower than others

but people usually come around to the truth.
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President Raul Castro and others have instituted a series of limited economic reforms, and have warned Cubans that they need to start working harder and expecting less from the government. But the president has also made it clear he has no desire to depart from Cuba's socialist system or embrace capitalism.
Slow is the operative term.
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Fidel Castro says he was misinterpreted

Article below worth reading
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No shock there.
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Another piece of the puzzle...

Cuba to lay off 500,000 in 6 months, allow private jobs - CNN.com
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It would be nice if the U..S. would lift the
boycott on Cuban cigars.

Why should Castro only smoke the best?
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The U.S. has enough cancer.
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The U.S. has enough cancer.

Have you googled "the danger of aspartane"?

Aspartane is the most controversial food addictive that has ever been introduced for consumer use.

Do a Google search and start a thread on it. (if you like)

I know about cancer.

I watched my mom and dad and several friends die from it.
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Perhaps the government should do something about the aspartane issue?
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Have you googled "the danger of aspartane"?

Aspartane is the most controversial food addictive that has ever been introduced for consumer use.

Do a Google search and start a thread on it. (if you like)

I know about cancer.

I watched my mom and dad and several friends die from it.
I was responding to your cigars comment that's all.
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Coming back to the subject matter, much as I enjoy the odd punt on the markets, the capitalism model doesn't seem to have worked out too well either.
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Coming back to the subject matter, much as I enjoy the odd punt on the markets, the capitalism model doesn't seem to have worked out too well either. but since every other system was worse maybe it's not so bad.
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^ If that is the best argument in favour of capitalism, then it's a crap system, and will fail. It already very nearly did, as we know. To give him his due, Marx was at least partially right. We can actually date the near-death of capitalism to within a few hours in Sep 2008. The phone conversations, the emails, the panicked trades, are all on the record. Most people have no clue how close to the abyss we actually came, because they'd rather not know, they don't want to know.

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BlackRock owns no private jets, so Fink was on a commercial flight to Singapore the weekend when Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy. He was “shocked” when he heard the news and flew back the next day. “I felt like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes. I came back and the whole world had changed,” he says. During the next 10 weeks, he would be on the phone to government officials several times a day—logging at least 21 calls with Geithner alone. He also spoke frequently to Paulson, at Treasury, helping to advise on the structuring of tarp, and to his number two, Ken Wilson—frantically calling him at around 6:30 a.m. in the middle of September. “The shit is hitting the fan. Ken, you’ve got to do something,” Fink said of the massive run on the country’s commercial money-market funds that had begun. The funds, including BlackRock’s, were hemorrhaging billions, and Fink told Wilson—who in January joined BlackRock as a vice-chairman—that the government needed to step in and guarantee them before the credit market collapsed, which the Treasury Department did within hours of Fink’s call.
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/f...?currentPage=4


It's a pity that the Marxian creed is ultimately dry, arid and sets people against people. But so does the system he critiqued.
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Sorry I don't believe that for one second. Everytime it fails it comes back. Government can also be responsible for bad policies that capitalism gets blamed for. There's no reason to have 3% reserves at banks and there's no reason to have eternal low interest rates. It's the only system that allows people to make mistakes and pay the consequences until they learn because we are talking about humans right? We are also talking about new generations having to be introduced to civilization every time. It's better than philosopher kings running the show. How much history of despotism going back millenia do people need to learn that? Marxism is dry yes, but voting people out is much less violent than constant revolutions. There's just no comparison. The west developed a system that allows EVERYONE to take part because no leaders can concentrate all known knowledge in their heads to run our lives. You must be in some depressed mood of some kind that conservatives usually get into and you need to drink some coffee or something.

If there's a weakness to capitalism is that it was so successful and expanded human living standards beyond anything ever before in human history and now many ignorant people are taking it for granted but are even more empty because they have no solution. There has never been a system that didn't involve some competition and effort required. It's in humans already. The government has to make the rules and needs the private sector to fund it and if the rules are broken then reform is needed. It's always this way.

You have to look at examples of people who actually perform to break the cynicism you're in.



See it's not all lost. There are still intelligent people left.
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Oscar, are you serious with that post?

Do you really believe that capitalism allows EVERYONE to be involved?

DO NOT answer this question with "social programs" bullshit.

Be honest in your answer and tell me how EVERYONE gets to involved.





Also, tell me how the hell that video makes sense to you? Pretend I'm an 18 year old that's about to go to college to be a teacher and explain how that makes sense to you.
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Oscar, are you serious with that post?

Do you really believe that capitalism allows EVERYONE to be involved?

DO NOT answer this question with "social programs" bullshit.

Be honest in your answer and tell me how EVERYONE gets to involved.
What do you think a market is? My point is that philosopher kings can't know how to run a power plant, be a lawyer, be a farmer all at the same time. They can't know people's minds and what needs to be produced at the exact time and quantity. That's why central command economies don't work and especially in the complex world we live in now. Why is that so hard to understand unless you're a progressive troll that doesn't want to understand? Did you even read my post? I believe in limited government. The rest is up to us.

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Also, tell me how the hell that video makes sense to you? Pretend I'm an 18 year old that's about to go to college to be a teacher and explain how that makes sense to you.
The fact that you have to ask tells me you are a troll and have NO intention of understanding the video. I've already explained balanced budgets, debt and economics many times to you but it doesn't sink in because I don't think you care or have any intention of understanding. It's so much easier to demand entitlements and when there's no money left just keep going over the cliff.



If you can't understand this video you have a lot of reading to do which I don't think you want to do. When countries over spend at some point there will be a backlash and crying out and using scare tactics to make the public think government is being slashed and burned will not fool them. Bankruptcy is not an option for governments. It's like gravity. At some point there are no governments in the world left that can bailout everyone else.
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What do you think a market is? My point is that philosopher kings can't know how to run a power plant, be a lawyer, be a farmer all at the same time. They can't know people's minds and what needs to be produced at the exact time and quantity. That's why central command economies don't work and especially in the complex world we live in now. Why is that so hard to understand unless you're a progressive troll that doesn't want to understand? Did you even read my post? I believe in limited government. The rest is up to us.
Step away from the rhetoric for awhile and answer my question.

How does EVERYONE get involved?

For example how do you suggest we get the disabled, poverty strickened, and ill involved? Answer that without going on a tangent.

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If you can't understand this video you have a lot of reading to do which I don't think you want to do. When countries over spend at some point there will be a backlash and crying out and using scare tactics to make the public think government is being slashed and burned will not fool them. Bankruptcy is not an option for governments. It's like gravity. At some point there are no governments in the world left that can bailout everyone else.
This video had to do with TEACHERS paying 1.5% for health benefits. Now talk about that. Stick to the topic, please.
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There's just no comparison. The west developed a system that allows EVERYONE to take part because no leaders can concentrate all known knowledge in their heads to run our lives.
You really must be naive if you believe this to be true.

And I say this as a member of a profession that contributes a lot of its time to precisely exclude certain segments of society from equal participation by squeezing them out.
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If there's a weakness to capitalism is that it was so successful and expanded human living standards beyond anything ever before in human history

It's in humans already.
Unfortunately, those two arguments are what rich people tend to repeat, while nothing is further from the truth.

Capitalism was successful only for a small group of people - the ones that got rich. Sometimes with hard work, most of the time with stealing resources from the poor, from nature. Capitalism is a system of exploitation that divides the workd in classes. Fraternity is not possible in capitalism.

Also, capitalism (or competition, if you meant that) is not "human" at all - our body, soul and mind work well without it. Capitalism per se isn´t vital. No one needs capitalism to survive, but mankind basically needs food, water, a roof or a place to stay, education, electricity and medicines. Capitalism´s wealthy individuals continue to rob billions of people of those basic needs. Mankind doesn´t need borders or nations or political worldwide economic systems - not so long ago mankind and the planet as a whole were much better off without all that crap.

It´s the society we live in that forces us to be part of capitalism. No other race uses political and economical systems like capitlism or communism to divide the world into classes.

The effects of capitalism are devastating for the majority of mankind. The majority of people are poor and capitalism continues to create poverty.

Here´s a study about the global distribution of wealth:

"The richest 2% of adults in the world own more than half of global household wealth according to a path-breaking study released today by the Helsinki-based World Institute for Development Economics Research of the United Nations University.

The most comprehensive study of personal wealth ever undertaken also reports that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total. In contrast, the bottom half of the world adult population owned barely 1% of global wealth.

The research finds that assets of $2,200 per adult placed a household in the top half of the world wealth distribution in the year 2000. To be among the richest 10% of adults in the world required $61,000 in assets, and more than $500,000 was needed to belong to the richest 1%.

Wealth levels across countries

Using currency exchange rates, global household wealth amounted to $125 trillion in the year 2000, equivalent to roughly three times the value of total global production (GDP) or to $20,500 per person. Adjusting for differences in the cost-of-living across nations raises the value of wealth to $26,000 per capita when measured in terms of purchasing power parity dollars (PPP$).

The world map shows per capita wealth of different countries.

Average wealth amounted to $144,000 per person in the USA in year 2000, and $181,000 in Japan. Lower down among countries with wealth data are India, with per capita assets of $1,100, and Indonesia with $1,400 per capita.

Per capita wealth levels vary widely across countries. Even within the group of high-income OECD nations the range includes $37,000 for New Zealand and $70,000 for Denmark and $127,000 for the UK.

Wealth is heavily concentrated in North America, Europe, and high income Asia-Pacific countries. People in these countries collectively hold almost 90% of total world wealth. (note: while they don´t hold 90% of natural resources but continue to rob them)

Although North America has only 6% of the world adult population, it accounts for 34% of household wealth. Europe and high income Asia-Pacific countries also own disproportionate amounts of wealth. In contrast, the overall share of wealth owned by people in Africa, China, India, and other lower income countries in Asia is considerably less than their population share, sometimes by a factor of more than ten."


According to the Human Development Index, the average dairy cow in Europe in 2000 received $913 in subsidies, compared with an average of $8 per person in sub-Saharan Africa.

Here´s the effects of capitalism that are not frequently reported my mass media:







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