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INDY500 said:
This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.
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This is not a first amendment issue, anyone who frames it to be so doesn't understand the constitution and/ or healthcare.
 
INDY500 said:
Were we ever mandated to do so before? My health insurance covers contraception and I'm perfectly fine with that even though I no longer use it.

This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.

We now return control of this thread to the rest of you.
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Why wouldn't anyone want birth control to be covered? While viagra may help ED, Its effects are felt primarily by the individual drug user (and, perhaps, his partner). By contrast, contraceptive care provides individual women with a great modicum of reproductive control, and allows a greater chance at economic independence (young and low-income heterosexual women denied access to contraception are far more likely to be forced into public assistance and/or poverty than those to whom this basic health care requirement is attainable).
Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. Every dose of Viagra subsidized by private or governmental insurers saves men from sexual frustration and… drumroll, please… the embarrassment of hearing their wives and girlfriends say, "That’s OK, honey, it happens to every guy, once in a while."
The purpose of this program was to provide a service that would benefit society and not a mandate or force anyone to do anything against their religion. That just came about from persons wanting to make it political. Now it probably won't happen so we stay mired in the rhetoric.
 
sue4u2 said:
Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies.
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I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?
 
Diemen said:
I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?
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Can we continue this in the health care mandate thread?

I'll wait for more info on that stat and on whether "contraceptive services" includes abortion?
 
tudents and staff at a high school in Dunkerton, Ia., were shocked when an assembly intended to address drug and bullying issues instead featured anti-gay messages that offended many students, staff and parents, the Lacrosse Tribune reports.


"They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42," parent Jennifer Littlefield told the Lacrosse Tribune. "It just blows me away that no one stopped this."
The group also told students that girls who aren't virgins at their weddings will have mud on their dresses, according to the paper.

Junkyard Prophet, the Minnesota-based traveling band that was brought to Dunkerton High School to discuss practices for good decision making, is part of the You Can Run But You Cannot Hide Christian youth ministry that holds assemblies in public schools.
Twin sisters Brandi and Randi Smith, told the Waterloo Cedar Falls Courier that, while they consider themselves to be Christian, they don't believe a performance like that should take place at a school -- and that student interaction has changed drastically since the incident.
"The whole school's like way tense," Brandi told the paper. "No one's getting along any more."
Students have since started a petition urging school officials not to allow similar performances in the future, according to the Courier.
Superintendent Jim Stanton told the Lacrosse Tribune that the group received good feedback when they performed at the school in the past, and that they must have changed their message since then.
Stanton told Talking Points Memo that Dunkerton High School now has an "action plan" that will make sure all performers are properly screened before taking the school stage in the future and that counseling is being offered to students who may have felt ostracized by the performance.
“We’ve learned from this,” Stanton told TPM. “It will never happen again.”
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'Junkyard Prophet' Shocks Iowa School With Anti-Gay Messages At Assembly (VIDEO)

I would have put this in the same sex marriage thread, but the mention of how this group views women who don't save sex for marriage made me put this posting here.

Seriously, how disgusting is this band? And what exactly was the school thinking when they brought them there? They might as well have Neo-Nazis come speak at their school. And how come no one did any research on Junkyard Prophet? I wouldn't be surprised if this was done on purpose. That, or the lack of responsibility is appalling.

ETA: the leader of Junkyard Prophet - Bradlee Dean - has been known for making anti-gay statements for a while now, not just at public schools.
 
Um, yeah, I'd like to know how the hell this got okayed, too, and who okayed it (and what the hell does gay marriage or premarital sex have to do with drugs and bullying?).

I'm glad to know that many parents and students objected to the message, though. That's certainly reassuring.
 
"Mud on their dress"? Is this some euphemism I've never heard before?
 
Huffington Post

This basketball dad was apparently trying a little too hard to "Be Like Mike" -- Mike Tyson, that is.

Massachusetts dad Timothy Forbes, 34, allegedly went berserk Friday when his 6th-grade son's basketball team lost a game. Police say he attacked the winning team's coach and bit off part of his ear, according to USA Today.

The unidentified coach was rushed to the hospital where his ear was surgically reattached.

When the game ended -- at Holy Name School in Springfield -- Forbes allegedly barreled through several 10- to 12-year-old kids before he made it to the coach.

"During the brief but violent assault assault, part of the coach's
ear was bitten off," Police Sgt. John Delaney told The Republican.

Other parents reportedly tried to pull Forbes off the coach, but the alleged assailant fled before cops arrived. Forbes turned himself in at the Springfield courthouse on Monday and pleaded not guilty to disorderly conduct, assault and battery, felony mayhem and other charges.​
 
Not Linsanity :D

Basketball was invented in Springfield, I've been to the Basketball Hall Of Fame there and it's awesome. Good to know that bat shit crazy is alive and well there too.
 
Moonlit_Angel said:
I wondered about that, too. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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I took it as a sign that they would be something "dirty" and therefore would be damaged goods, something I've noticed many abstinence groups say.
 
Washington Post

Fairfax investigates allegation of racially insensitive behavior by high school teacher
By Emma Brown, Published: March 16

Fairfax County school administrators are investigating a student’s allegations of racially insensitive behavior by a veteran English teacher at George C. Marshall High School.

Ninth-grader Jordan Shumate said that during class this month, he was reading aloud a poem by acclaimed African American writer Langston Hughes when his teacher interrupted and directed him to read in a “blacker” style.

“She told me, ‘Blacker, Jordan — c’mon, blacker. I thought you were black,’ ” said Shumate, who is African American.

Shumate told his mother, Nicole Cober Page, about the incident Tuesday. She complained to school administrators.

“We take these allegations very seriously, and we’re investigating,” Principal Jay Pearson said Friday. He declined to provide further details.

Shumate, 14, and his mother identified the teacher as Marilyn Bart. Bart did not respond Thursday or Friday to e-mail and phone inquiries about the incident. Records show that Bart has worked in Fairfax schools since 1990.

Another ninth-grader, Kaila Denny, said she witnessed the incident. Shumate was “just sitting there reading normally like any person would,” Denny said, when Bart instructed him to speak “blacker.”

Shumate said that when he refused to continue reading the poem, Bart read it aloud herself, demonstrating what she meant.

“She sounded like a maid in the 1960s,” Shumate said. “She read the poem like a slave, basically.”

Shumate said he asked Bart that day whether she thinks all black people speak that way. She reprimanded him for talking out of turn, he said, and told him to take his seat.

Cober Page said she spoke with Pearson by telephone Friday about the incident but learned nothing more from him about Bart’s side of the story.

“My feeling is that he is an advocate for the kids and wants this to be taken seriously,” Cober Page said of the principal.

The poem Shumate read in class was Hughes’s “Ballad of the Landlord.” The poem, written in 1940, tells of a black tenant thrown in jail for challenging a deadbeat landlord.

“Landlord, landlord,” it begins. “My roof has sprung a leak./Don’t you ’member I told you about it/Way last week?”

If the teacher thought the poem should be delivered in a Southern dialect, she could have said so without referring to race, Cober Page said.

Shumate said it wasn’t the only time that he felt singled out in English class because of his race.

This week, in preparation for reading literature about the Holocaust, the teacher showed photographs to illustrate common stereotypes about different groups of people, Shumate said.

Shumate said Bart showed an image of grape soda — a drink of choice among African Americans, according to a racial stereotype — and asked him to explain its meaning. Denny corroborated his account.

“I do know the stereotypes,” Shumate said, “but she could change the questions so I’m not like the king of black people.”
 
Photo ID to be required for fall SAT, ACT exams

Photo ID to be required for fall SAT, ACT exams

All students taking the SAT and ACT college entrance exams this fall nationwide will have to provide photo IDs on their applications in a major security upgrade prompted by a widespread cheating scandal in New York's Long Island, the Associated Press reports.
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Given what a burdensome and expensive process obtaining a photo ID in this country is clearly this is nothing more than an effort to suppress minority participation in college entrance exams.

Or am I getting my dog whistles mixed-up again? :shifty:
 
People who make the sorts of remarks you do on that issue are missing the point of it. My understanding of that issue is that people don't have a problem showing ID, period. The problem seems to lie more in what SORT of ID is considered acceptable/unacceptable. Student IDs wouldn't be acceptable in some areas, but gun licenses would be, for instance, or something like that. That would be where people are having issues.
 
yahoo.com

Brides-to-be looking to shed that final 10, 15 or 20 pounds in order to fit into their dream wedding gown have taken a controversial approach to crash dieting that involves inserting a feeding tube into their noses for up to 10 days for a quick fix to rapid weight loss.

The K-E diet, which boasts promises of shedding 20 pounds in 10 days, is an increasingly popular alternative to ordinary calorie-counting programs. The program has dieters inserting a feeding tube into their nose that runs to the stomach. They're fed a constant slow drip of protein and fat, mixed with water, which contains zero carbohydrates and totals 800 calories a day. Body fat is burned off through a process called ketosis, which leaves muscle intact, Dr. Oliver Di Pietro of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla., said.

"It is a hunger-free, effective way of dieting," Di Pietro said. "Within a few hours and your hunger and appetite go away completely, so patients are actually not hungry at all for the whole 10 days. That's what is so amazing about this diet."

Di Pietro says patients are under a doctor's supervision, although they're not hospitalized during the dieting process. Instead, they carry the food solution with them, in a bag, like a purse, keeping the tube in their nose for 10 days straight. Di Pietro says there are few side effects.

"The main side effects are bad breath; there is some constipation because there is no fiber in the food," he said.

Slipping into a wedding gown for a dream wedding is a moment of truth for most brides, but as many say that there is a real fear that it will not quite fit. That's how Jessica Schnaider says she felt with a June wedding approaching and 10 pounds she says she couldn't lose. She was desperate for a quick fix.

"I don't have all of the time on the planet just to focus an hour and a half a day to exercise so I came to the doctor, I saw the diet, and I said, 'You know what? Why not? Let me try it. So I decided to go ahead and give it a shot," she said.

Schnaider said she was never hungry throughout the 10 days she was on the K-E diet, but admits that it still wasn't easy.

"It was emotionally difficult, the 10 days of not eating," Schnaider said. "And sometimes I had to give excuses to people who were asking are you sick? And I was like, 'No, I'm not sick, I'm not dying, I'm fine.'

"I was tired. I didn't feel like exercising. The doctor told me that if you can compliment with walking for a half an hour on the beach, that would be great, but I didn't feel like doing that. I'm a very energetic person, but those days I was a little tired."

Although the K-E diet is new to the United States, it has been around for years in Europe. Dr. Di Pietro charges $1,500 for the 10-day plan, and says the before-and-after pictures sell themselves.

But critics warn that losing too much weight too fast can be dangerous, and it ultimately won't last. Di Pietro warns that people with kidney issues should avoid the diet.

Many doctors also say that with so much pressure on brides to be perfect, it's easy to understand why this kind of rapid weight loss might seem appealing, but might not be healthy.

"If you lose the weight too quickly your mind is not going to be able to catch up with a newer, skinnier you," psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall of Beverly Hills, Calif. said.

Schnaider says that in her case she actually only kept her tube in for eight of the 10 days, skipping the last two because she'd already lost the 10 pounds she wanted.

She has kept it off so far, saying she is looking forward to her big day this summer.
 
Johannesburg (CNN) -- South Africans woke up on Wednesday morning to the claim that a group of Soweto youths had filmed themselves raping a 17-year-old girl believed to be mentally ill.
The cellphone video is said to have gone viral among school kids in the township south of Johannesburg, and the term #rapevideo was trending on Twitter in South Africa on Wednesday.
The Daily Sun, a local tabloid, reports that it alerted the police after a concerned mother whose daughter was watching the video handed it over to the paper on Tuesday.
"The mother of a teenage girl saw the horrifying pictures and confiscated her daughter's phone. A work colleague of the woman said they recognized some of the boys and advised her to take the video to Daily Sun," the newspaper reported.
The suspects, aged between 14 and 20, were arrested Tuesday morning and charged with kidnapping and rape, police spokesperson Warrant Officer Kay Makhubela said.
"The video is very bad. The men can be clearly identified as they take turns raping and filming her," she told CNN.
The girl's mother reported her missing on March 21, Makhubela said.
Media reports suggest the police initially failed to open a missing persons case but that they have since done so.
Police suspect the girl was kidnapped and turned into a sex slave.

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The station reports that the gang of men promised the girl 25 cents for her silence.
"The girl can be heard pleading with the boys to stop. They crudely jest and crassly spur one another on," journalist Mandy Weiner reported.
NGOs estimate a woman is raped every 26 seconds in the country.
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Shocking rape video goes viral in South Africa - CNN.com
 
INDY500 said:
Photo ID to be required for fall SAT, ACT exams



Given what a burdensome and expensive process obtaining a photo ID in this country is clearly this is nothing more than an effort to suppress minority participation in college entrance exams.

Or am I getting my dog whistles mixed-up again? :shifty:
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why not just have the test taker leave their thumb print on the exam form.

and then they can do audits,

if someone is paid to take a test for someone else, and they leave 100% positive proof with their thumb print, both participants should face severe consequences.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
yahoo.com

Brides-to-be looking to shed that final 10, 15 or 20 pounds in order to fit into their dream wedding gown have taken a controversial approach to crash dieting that involves inserting a feeding tube into their noses for up to 10 days for a quick fix to rapid weight loss.

The K-E diet, which boasts promises of shedding 20 pounds in 10 days, is an increasingly popular alternative to ordinary calorie-counting programs. The program has dieters inserting a feeding tube into their nose that runs to the stomach. They're fed a constant slow drip of protein and fat, mixed with water, which contains zero carbohydrates and totals 800 calories a day. Body fat is burned off through a process called ketosis, which leaves muscle intact, Dr. Oliver Di Pietro of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla., said.

"It is a hunger-free, effective way of dieting," Di Pietro said. "Within a few hours and your hunger and appetite go away completely, so patients are actually not hungry at all for the whole 10 days. That's what is so amazing about this diet."

Di Pietro says patients are under a doctor's supervision, although they're not hospitalized during the dieting process. Instead, they carry the food solution with them, in a bag, like a purse, keeping the tube in their nose for 10 days straight. Di Pietro says there are few side effects.

"The main side effects are bad breath; there is some constipation because there is no fiber in the food," he said.

Slipping into a wedding gown for a dream wedding is a moment of truth for most brides, but as many say that there is a real fear that it will not quite fit. That's how Jessica Schnaider says she felt with a June wedding approaching and 10 pounds she says she couldn't lose. She was desperate for a quick fix.

"I don't have all of the time on the planet just to focus an hour and a half a day to exercise so I came to the doctor, I saw the diet, and I said, 'You know what? Why not? Let me try it. So I decided to go ahead and give it a shot," she said.

Schnaider said she was never hungry throughout the 10 days she was on the K-E diet, but admits that it still wasn't easy.

"It was emotionally difficult, the 10 days of not eating," Schnaider said. "And sometimes I had to give excuses to people who were asking are you sick? And I was like, 'No, I'm not sick, I'm not dying, I'm fine.'

"I was tired. I didn't feel like exercising. The doctor told me that if you can compliment with walking for a half an hour on the beach, that would be great, but I didn't feel like doing that. I'm a very energetic person, but those days I was a little tired."

Although the K-E diet is new to the United States, it has been around for years in Europe. Dr. Di Pietro charges $1,500 for the 10-day plan, and says the before-and-after pictures sell themselves.

But critics warn that losing too much weight too fast can be dangerous, and it ultimately won't last. Di Pietro warns that people with kidney issues should avoid the diet.

Many doctors also say that with so much pressure on brides to be perfect, it's easy to understand why this kind of rapid weight loss might seem appealing, but might not be healthy.

"If you lose the weight too quickly your mind is not going to be able to catch up with a newer, skinnier you," psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall of Beverly Hills, Calif. said.

Schnaider says that in her case she actually only kept her tube in for eight of the 10 days, skipping the last two because she'd already lost the 10 pounds she wanted.

She has kept it off so far, saying she is looking forward to her big day this summer.
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is this more or less disgusting than:

lypo-suction sugery, by-pass surgury, lap-band, morbid obesity?
 
I don't get the whole "I have to suddenly drop 5 sizes for my wedding" thing, but I'll admit, 20lbs in 2 weeks? Oh yeah I'd go for that if I could! My problem is that I've *gained* weight and my mind hasn't caught up with THAT! I wonder what is the real science behind it? I didn't think it was possible to lose weight that quickly even if you ate nothing.
 
They're fed a constant slow drip of protein and fat, mixed with water, which contains zero carbohydrates and totals 800 calories a day. Body fat is burned off through a process called ketosis, which leaves muscle intact, Dr. Oliver Di Pietro of Bay Harbor Islands, Fla., said.
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I think the key may be ketosis.

Ketosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have loss 20 pounds by a strict caloric intake, at 1200 calories per day.

I think if I was at 800, I would not have lost it in two weeks. I did do it fairly quick, there is a record of it over in the Weigh in here >>>>>>>>>> thread.
 
deep said:
is this more or less disgusting than:

lypo-suction sugery, by-pass surgury, lap-band, morbid obesity?
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For me, more. To resort to something that they put severely ill and dying people on, people in a vegetative state- in order to fit into a frigging wedding dress. Supreme state of vanity and obsession. If that was me I'd rather go buy an off the rack regular dress and get married in that than put myself through that, and make that the focus of starting off my marriage. A marriage isn't about a lavish one day production. Ask Kim K. On second thought...

That whole bride and wedding stuff is just way off the scale of normal. It gives me the creeps, actually. I'm not into that kind of demanding or wanting to be the center of attention or princess for a day. A beautiful dress, sure. I love wedding dresses and looking at them, just the aesthetics of them. But I wouldn't risk my life and my health or my sanity for it. If I'm too fat to be an acceptable bride well that's just too bad.
 
I wonder if the same results can be achieved by just *eating* 800 cals of fat, protein, and water a day? Then it's no different than any other fad diet or weight loss program. Not that I'm considering it I've just never heard of it before and it sounds too good to be true (I'm talking about the actual weight loss, not the supposed mental/emotional repercussions). Is it really life threatening?
 
The truth of matter is that most couples start their exercising regimen like one month before their wedding date.

This is not enough time to lose weight and have the body figure wished on time, let alone getting married is no longer something considered effective in today's world.
 
Liesje said:
I wonder if the same results can be achieved by just *eating* 800 cals of fat, protein, and water a day? Then it's no different than any other fad diet or weight loss program. Not that I'm considering it I've just never heard of it before and it sounds too good to be true (I'm talking about the actual weight loss, not the supposed mental/emotional repercussions). Is it really life threatening?
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I don't think it is possible, again the key is ketosis, this is related to the Atkins diet, reduction of carbohydrates, causes fat to burn off much quicker

a few years back I loss 20 pounds by eating about 1200 calories a day
it took 3 months, some of us posted our weight loss in here

http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f296/weigh-in-here-129907-17.html#post2890621
 
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