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Old 10-23-2012, 12:09 AM   #541
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Oh look, we've gone back to a time when it was okay to jail people for suggesting the Earth revolved around the sun.

Scientists found guilty for earthquake deaths
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:35 AM   #542
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*Smacks forehead*

I love the constant need people have to blame scientists and weather forecasters for not properly getting weather/geological phenomenons right.

It's called guessing, people. Sometimes it's accurate, sometimes it's not. They don't have crystal balls and do not control the actual storm or earthquake or flood or whatever.

That's absolutely insane. I hope they manage to fight and overturn that ruling.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:48 AM   #543
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Oh look, we've gone back to a time when it was okay to jail people for suggesting the Earth revolved around the sun.

Scientists found guilty for earthquake deaths
I read about this earlier today. If it's not overturned on appeals they can say goodbye to that earthquake warning committee all together. Who in their right mind would sign up knowing that they could get thrown in jail if they're wrong?
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:59 AM   #544
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"This is a historic sentence, above all for the victims," said Wania della Vigna, a lawyer who represents 11 plaintiffs, including the family of an Israeli student who died when a student residence collapsed on top of him.
"It also marks a step forward for the justice system and I hope it will lead to change, not only in Italy but across the world," she said.

Aldo Scimia, whose mother was killed, wept as the verdict was read out.
"We cannot call this a victory. It's a tragedy, whatever way you look at it, it won't bring our loved ones back," he said. "I continue to call this a massacre at the hand of the state, but at least now we hope that our children may live safer lives," he said.
I mean, sorry for your loss, but fuck me. A massacre at the hand of the state. This truly is absolutely disgusting.
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:02 AM   #545
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I can't even wrap my head around the ruling. What a backward fucking country
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:56 AM   #546
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How is it a massacre at the hand of the state? Did the government cause the earthquake?

One could argue they are at fault for not building stronger houses. But then again, nobody bitched about that before the quake, so why would they have bothered?
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With that in mind, those who died from the sinking of the Titanic did not get justice from the iceberg that struck it.

Really, you can't put nature on trial, which is what this case is about.
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(CNN) -- Murder-suicides, by their very nature, leave a mountain of unanswered questions. When the killer pulls the trigger first on his victim and then himself, he takes with him to the grave the reasons that compelled the angry, desperate act.

Not so in the case of Radcliffe Haughton.

What prompted the 45-year-old former Marine to open fire at a suburban Milwaukee salon Sunday -- killing his wife and two other women, and wounding four others -- was foreshadowed in no uncertain terms by his estranged wife just three days earlier.



At a restraining order hearing Thursday, the wife, Zina, begged the court for protection, saying her husband would surely kill her.

With her voice shaking, she outlined how he'd threatened to throw acid in her face. How he accused her of cheating on him. How his red hot jealousy terrorized her "every waking moment."

"Things have gotten so bad. We need to separate," she said at the hearing, according to a recording obtained by CNN affiliate WISN. "We need a divorce before you hurt me. I don't want to die."

The judge sided with her. Haughton was ordered to stay away from his wife for the next four years. He was forbidden from possessing a gun.

But on Saturday, he bought a .40-caliber handgun from a private seller. Wisconsin law only requires background checks for purchases from a dealer.

And he waited.

The next day he took her life.

At the bizarre Thursday hearing, Haughton acted as his own attorney -- cross-examining his wife, asking questions that the judge refused to allow.

Haughton said his wife's infidelity was to blame for their failing marriage.

"I have been involved with Zina Haughton for most of my adult life. This is the woman that I love," he said.

"Things have not always been the best that they could have been but I can stand before the court, stand before God and say that I love her. I love her unconditionally. This situation was brought about by infidelity."

The wife said the abuse began long before the infidelity accusations.

She detailed a night when she said Haughton pulled a gun on her. It accidentally discharged. The bullet narrowly missed her and her daughter.

"For 20 years, we've fought. He's hit me. We've fought. But since May 29, the evening that he thinks I cheated on him, just the threats have gotten so bad, and like I said, I don't want to die," she said.

Police in the area say they had a long history of run-ins with Haughton, a general manager of a local Land Rover dealership.

"Since 2001, the Brown Deer Police Department has responded to calls for service regarding the Haughtons, ranging from animal complaints to domestic violence related cases," the Brown Deer Police said in a statement.

The police reports seemed to speak of a man who was destined to harm his wife.

In January 2011, Haughton was accused of throwing his wife's clothes out of their home during an argument and then pouring tomato juice on her car.

When police arrived, Haughton locked himself in the home and officers thought they saw Haughton holding a "long barreled" gun in the direction of his wife, according to a police report. Charges were eventually dropped in that case.

On October 4 this year, police say, Haughton slashed his wife's tires outside the salon.

After that incident, the wife applied for the restraining order.

"He threatened to throw acid in my face, burn me and my family with gas. His threats terrorize my every waking moment," she said in the request obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

On Saturday, Haughton walked into the two-story Azana Spa in Brookfield, outside Milwaukee, where his wife was a stylist. He was screaming.

"He yelled 'Everybody!' Get down. Get down,'" Betty Brunner, a customer in the salon, told WISN.

"And as I went to get down, Zina walked to the reception desk, and said, 'Calm down, sir. There are good people here."

Haughton grabbed his wife and pushed her behind a wall, Brunner said.

Then the bullets flew.

Brunner considers Haughton's wife a hero for confronting her husband and making sure to move him away from most of the customers.

She says she wonders how Zina Haughton stayed so calm in the face of death.

If the court hearing is any indication, perhaps she knew it was just a matter of time.
This made me ill. What a tragedy.
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"I love her unconditionally. This situation was brought about by infidelity."
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This made me ill. What a tragedy.
Makes me ill too. Tragic story of far too many women.
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At the bizarre Thursday hearing, Haughton acted as his own attorney -- cross-examining his wife, asking questions that the judge refused to allow.
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Yep. She's the reason it failed. Nothing to do with your insanely violent temper or anything like that.

Also, stories like this really make me think that restraining orders are kind of bullshit. If someone is this violent and harassing, they're not going to follow a court order and go, "Oh, okay, judge, I'll be sure to count how many feet away I am from her should I see her out and about" or whatever. If they've been that frightening in their stalking and harassing and whatnot, they should be in jail. Then maybe these shooting stories wouldn't happen.

Anywho, yeah, it's been about a month, I think, since we've had a story about a mass shooting, looks like we're continuing right on schedule with that . Tell me again when a good time to start talking and getting serious about gun control is?
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With that in mind, those who died from the sinking of the Titanic did not get justice from the iceberg that struck it.

Really, you can't put nature on trial, which is what this case is about.
Do you really blame the iceberg, though, or the lack of lifeboats?
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Do you really blame the iceberg, though, or the lack of lifeboats?
I was being facetious.
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New York (CNN) - A Manhattan mother returned home early Thursday evening to find two of her young children stabbed to death in a bathtub, as their nanny lay bleeding nearby, police said.

The mother, 38, had just returned around 5:30 p.m. to the family apartment on Manhattan's West Side with her 3-year-old daughter, who she had just taken to swimming lessons, police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

All the lights were out in the residence, so she went downstairs to ask the doorman whether her two other children and their nanny had gone outside. After the doorman said they had not, the mother went back upstairs and started looking around, Kelly said.

Peering into a bathroom, she let out a scream upon finding her 1-year-old son and 6-year-old daughter stabbed to death in the bathtub, according to Kelly.

The children's 50-year-old nanny was on the bathroom floor unconscious and bleeding from what appeared to be self-inflicted stab wounds to her neck, Kelly said. A kitchen knife sat next to her, according to police spokesman Paul Browne.

A neighbor, Sandy Marcus, told CNN that she called 911 after hearing the mother's screams. Another neighbor recalled it was hard to ascertain what was going on since "everybody was screaming."

The children were taken to Roosevelt Hospital and pronounced dead.

The father of the children is Kevin Krim, an executive with CNBC , several officials familiar with the investigation said.

The nanny is at St. Luke's Hospital, also in New York, in critical but stable condition, according to Kelly. No charges have been filed yet in the case, he added.

Klein described the family at the center of the horror as "all-American" and "lovely."

"It's like something you read about in the papers, in some distant country, but never on your floor," she said.
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