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Old 03-09-2011, 03:51 PM   #16
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Exactly. And there's a huge difference between those that grow up knowing how to properly use and handle sport weapons than those that only have them because "it is their right goddammit!" I have several family members that are lifers in either military or law enforcement and they are by far the least confrontational people I know. I can't ever get used to them having to carry concealed weapons for their job, they just don't seem the "type". To my knowledge, there has never been any sort of accidents or anything potentially dangerous with regard to their hunting weapons.

That said, 8 years old does seem young. I think my brother was 12, 14? when he entered the hunter's safety program (which one of my uncles also teaches) and he would have entered as soon as he was old enough since the boys/men in my family are all into hunting as a sport. To me that does not seem that off base, considering kids start driving at age 14, and I think you can get a boater's license around that age (at least in MI, if you are too young for a driver's license you can get a boater's license for watercraft over 4 horsepower).
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Old 03-17-2011, 09:34 PM   #17
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STANTON, Ky. – If Azra Basic needed a place to run from the bloody aftermath of the breakup of Yugoslavia, her small-town Kentucky neighbors said she found it. The Croatian woman locals knew as "Issabella" settled years ago in this rural, hilly area and took jobs bathing elderly nursing home patients and working at a sandwich factory.

This week, acquaintances were shocked to hear the secret that Bosnian war crimes investigators said Basic has been hiding for two decades. As a soldier in the Croatian army, she killed a prisoner and tortured others by forcing them to drink human blood and gasoline, authorities said. She was arrested on Tuesday by federal agents.

"She's a lovely person, very diligent in her work," said 88-year-old Henrietta Kirchner, who was one of Basic's patients at the Stanton Nursing Center for about a week when she was recovering from a broken leg.

According to court documents, the 52-year-old Basic (BOSH) is charged with fatally stabbing a prisoner in the neck in 1992 during the bloody conflict in eastern Europe. Court documents accuse her of numerous other atrocities, including: setting a prisoner ablaze, pulling out prisoners' fingernails with pliers, ripping off a man's ear with pliers and carving crosses and the letter "S" into another man's flesh.

The accusations were "very shocking" to 44-year-old former neighbor Brian Rice.

"She's a pretty nice person," said Rice, who lived near her for about two years until she moved in November. "If I was standing here right now and ... she drove by, she would throw her hand up and if the window was down, she would speak and say 'hi' by my name."

It's unclear why Basic chose to settle down in Stanton, a town about 45 miles east of Lexington known for its annual corn festival. But Rice said if she was looking for a place to get away from her past, she had found it.

"Everybody sticks to themselves around here," he said. "We don't have no neighborly get-togethers. We speak if we know you."

Basic was an employee at the Mount Sterling, Ky., Nestle Prepared Foods plant that makes Hot Pockets-brand sandwiches, the company said, declining to provide additional details.

Jo Epperson, a clerk at the local smoke shop where she said Basic bought a carton of Kentucky-made 24/7 Menthol cigarettes once a week, said she once asked Basic what brought her to the area.

Epperson said Basic responded vaguely that "she was part of the war," but didn't elaborate.

Bosnian authorities have been slowly building a case against her for years, taking statements from witnesses, forensic experts and doctors between 1992 and 2001 to identify her. Interpol traced Basic to Kentucky in 2004, an international arrest warrant was issued in 2006 and the U.S. received a formal extradition request in February of 2007, according to a complaint filed in federal court.

Hundreds of fugitives are still being sought for war crimes, with a steady trickle of several arrests each month. Most of the other fugitives are men. The sheer volume of cases helps explain why it takes so long for some to be prosecuted.

Over 100,000 people were killed during the bloody war that followed Yugoslavia's collapse, most of them Muslim Bosnians. The war was fought between the country's three ethnic groups — Muslim Bosnians, Catholic Croats and Christian Orthodox Serbs.

During a hearing in U.S. District Court in Lexington on Thursday, U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert E. Wier appointed a Basic a lawyer and ordered her held without bond pending an April 1 status hearing. Prosecutors argued that no bail amount would guarantee Basic's presence in court.

Basic's attorney, Patrick Nash of Lexington, said Thursday that he plans to request bail before the next court hearing.

"I'm still getting my arms around this case," said Nash, who declined to comment on what brought Basic to the state.

U.S. Marshal Loren "Squirrel" Carl said considering the "shocking nature" of the accusations, officers were relieved to have captured Basic.

"This brings her long run from justice to an end," Carl said.

The complaint filed by U.S. Attorney James Arehart accuses Basic of committing crimes at three camps near the majority-Serbian settlement of Cardak in Derventa. Witnesses said the Croatian military took ethnic Serbs from the Cardak settlement in late April of 1992 and tortured them.

One witness describes watching as another prisoner named Blagoje Djuras was beaten unconscious. The witness said Basic then stabbed him in the neck, killing him, and dragged other Serbs to the body "and made us drink that blood." A second witness corroborated the account of the stabbing and identified a picture of Basic in 2009, Arehart said.

Another man told investigators in September 1992 that he was forced to drink gasoline, beaten unconscious, and his hands and face were set on fire by Basic, who was wearing a Croatian military police uniform. A subsequent medical exam concluded the witness had been tortured.

Another witness said that in August 1992, Basic cut a cross and four "S" letters into his forehead before hacking his neck below the Adam's apple.

Another said Basic and others forced him to "lick blood off floors covered in broken glass and crawl on the glass with a knotted rope in his mouth with which soldiers used to pull out the teeth of prisoners."

Federal prosecutors say each offense violates the United National Convention Against Torture, which prohibits inhumane and degrading treatment of people.

Court records show that during Basic's arrest, federal marshals arrested Theodore S. Loman, 63, who was also listed as living at the residence, on a charge of being a convicted felon in possession of firearms. A federal affidavit said marshals found several pistols and rifles in the house when they arrived to arrest Basic, who they found in the doorway of the kitchen.
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By Robert Jablon, Associated Press – Wed Mar 23

LOS ANGELES – Anger and shock have penetrated a prosperous, mostly white Central California community where an 11-foot cross was stolen from a church and set on fire next to the home of a black family.

"I was horrified," said the Rev. Stephanie Raphael, president of the San Luis Obispo Ministerial Association. "We live in a paradise, and I think the first thought was, this can't really be real."

Police assigned extra patrols to the neighborhood in Arroyo Grande — a city that hasn't seen a hate crime in nearly a decade — and rewards were offered for information leading to an arrest.

The cross was stolen from a garden at Saint John's Lutheran Church weeks ago and set ablaze Friday in a lot behind the house where the family lived, police Cmdr. John Hough said.

A 19-year-old woman saw the flaming cross from her bedroom window. Officers doused burning pieces of wood with a garden hose.

A telephone call to the house was not answered Tuesday.

Police declined to release the names of the family because the incident was considered a hate crime — the first since 2002 in the city of 17,000 in mostly rural San Luis Obispo County, a region of vast farms, picturesque towns and a state university campus.

More than 30 clergy members signed a letter to the editor of the San Luis Obispo Tribune urging that the crime be taken seriously.

"Any kind of hate crime is not a joke, it's not a prank," Raphael told The Associated Press. "It's designed to intimidate and frighten. We live in a beautiful area, but it's only beautiful if every single person feels safe conducting their lives and living here."

Dean Limbo, 54, who attends the church from which the cross was stolen, said the incident has scarred the community.

"It was surreal," she said. "The peace and the love in this community, you never would have thought it. It was just horrific, it really was, this poor family terrorized."

FBI agents and investigators from the county and the state Department of Justice were involved in the arson and hate-crime probe. Police said $3,500 in rewards were offered.

There was no evidence that an organized racist group was involved, Hough said.

The 100-pound cross was hollow and made of fir. It was built eight years ago for a local production of "Jesus Christ Superstar," then donated to Saint John, pastor Randy Ouimette said.

It was usually bolted to a base in the garden, but each year it was taken inside the sanctuary during the Lenten season before being moved to a beach two miles away to be decorated with flowers for an Easter sunrise service.

The theft at the church was discovered March 5 but may have occurred weeks earlier, the pastor said.

"They probably lassoed the top and just yanked it down, tied it to a truck, and snapped it at the base," Ouimette said.

Authorities suspected the stolen cross had been used in the hate crime and showed Ouimette the half-charred pieces of wood.

He quickly recognized it because its maker had carved "PHIL 4:13" into it, a reference to a passage in the New Testament book of Philippians that says: "I can do all things through Him who strengthens me."

Ouimette was saddened the cross had been used during a hate crime.

"It's such a violation," he said. "You know, the cross originally was an instrument of violence. ... but Christ redeemed it. Through the cross has come forgiveness and peace."

More than 100 members of the congregation signed a giant card of compassion they planned to deliver to the family with two handmade prayer quilts — even though they didn't know the family.

"We wanted to bathe this family in prayer and love," the pastor said. "Obviously they're feeling rejection and ... hate."

The church has accepted an offer of a 10-foot replacement cross that a nearby church had placed in storage.
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Japan rescue hero flies into Gold Coast Local Gold Coast News | goldcoast.com.au | Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

^ There is an expose on this: there is no such thing as the NSAR, the story is completely bogus


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Old 03-24-2011, 10:44 AM   #20
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there is no such thing as the NSAR, the story is completely bogus
To say the story is completely bogus is a little disingenuous, the article you posted just says they are not a registered not-for-profit, but they didn't say anything about the stories being completely false.

Am I missing something?
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:55 PM   #21
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This has to be fiction of a rag paper-hopefully

I give my girl, 8, Botox for pageant | The Sun |Woman

Once every three months, Britney climbs on a beautician's table and watches as mum Kerry prepares needles of Botox and fillers to be injected into her face.

Beautician Kerry, 34, from Birmingham, buys the substances online and injects them into her daughter's forehead, lips and around her eyes.

The beauty-pageant obsessed single mum also takes her to have her body waxed, in a bizarre bid to stop her growing hair when she eventually hits puberty.

Kerry says these shocking and potentially dangerous treatments will guarantee Britney becomes famous as a teenager.

She says: "What I am doing for Britney now will help her become a star.

"I know one day she will be a model, actress or singer, and having these treatments now will ensure she stays looking younger and baby-faced for longer.

"I'm sure people reading this will think I am being irresponsible, but I ensure that I test the Botox and fillers I buy online on myself first.

"All I want is for Britney to have the best start in life, so it is easier for her to become a superstar.

"More mothers should do it for their daughters."
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I do not condone the AR agenda but this is just beyond disgusting.....

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March 28, 2011 1:08 PM

NEWARK, N.J. (CBSNewYork) – A New Jersey woman has been charged with four counts of animal cruelty after authorities accused of her dumping a starved 1-year-old pit bull down a trash chute.

Kisha Curtis, 28, could face up to six months in jail, a $1,000 fine or community service if convicted.

On March 16, the dog was found in the garbage of a Newark apartment building after apparently having been thrown down a trash chute in a plastic bag in the 22-story building.

When a maintenance worker discovered him, the pup was rushed to the trauma unit at the Garden State Veterinary Specialists.

It was determined the dog was severely anemic and malnourished. He received a blood transfusion and was later named Patrick.

Patricia Scavelli, an administrator at GSVS, said when hospital officials first saw Patrick they “didn’t think he’d make it through the night.”

Patrick will be put up for adoption if he continues to improve and recovers, doctors said.

Last week, Sweet Avenue Bake Shop, in Rutherford, was donating a portion of their proceeds to the Associated Humane Societies of New Jersey after hearing about Patrick’s heartbreaking story.
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^ Wonder if conviction on charges like that can mean required counseling, and if so, what it consists of.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:22 PM   #24
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Probably not. In a lot of places, animal cruelty is only a misdemeanor.

I can't believe the dog survived. He has a long road ahead but looks better every day.

Courage the German Shepherd was a similar case. His owner was a VET TECH of all things.

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I do not condone the AR agenda but this is just beyond disgusting.....

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The punishment for crimes like this is far too lenient.

I can't believe the dog survived. I thought the photo was of its mummified remains. I was pleasantly surprised
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Is there some way us as a country and its citizens can change this law? It seriously angers and disgusts me that people do this to INNOCENT animals and get away with just a slap on the wrist!!!

They should be charged with felonies and do hard jail time!!! This is the behaviour of sociopaths and should be abruptly halted!
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I can't believe the dog survived. I thought the photo was of its mummified remains. I was pleasantly surprised
That's what I thought, too. I've seen far too many pictures like this of dogs who didn't make it. Some people are atrocious.

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Is there some way us as a country and its citizens can change this law? It seriously angers and disgusts me that people do this to INNOCENT animals and get away with just a slap on the wrist!!!

They should be charged with felonies and do hard jail time!!! This is the behaviour of sociopaths and should be abruptly halted!
People are lobbying to change the laws now. Hopefully with stories like this gaining so much attention, people will become more aware and laws will change. Hopefully. I do know that with the public outcry, the abuser's charges were upgraded to "torment and torture" or words to that effect. Not sure what that entails, but it certainly sounds right.
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someone over here in Australia cut a puppy's ears off and then dumped it.

cruelty to animals makes me physical ill. even non-cat people make "jokes" about cats turns my stomach.
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They should be charged with felonies and do hard jail time!!! This is the behaviour of sociopaths and should be abruptly halted!
I forgot to point out this part. YES! Some, if not all, of these people are sociopaths. People ought to be more concerned over this behaviour, if for no other reason, for the fact that they pose a threat to ALL living beings.

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someone over here in Australia cut a puppy's ears off and then dumped it.

cruelty to animals makes me physical ill. even non-cat people make "jokes" about cats turns my stomach.
The stories I could post about the things people do to dogs would make the above look tame. Sickening. It would keep me awake at night if I didn't shut it out of my mind at some point.
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Is there some way us as a country and its citizens can change this law? It seriously angers and disgusts me that people do this to INNOCENT animals and get away with just a slap on the wrist!!!

They should be charged with felonies and do hard jail time!!! This is the behaviour of sociopaths and should be abruptly halted!
Yes, people can contact their local representatives. Sentences are state by state. For example Michigan has felony animal cruelty and sentences can include fines, jail time, temporary or permanent bans on owning animals, and mandatory counseling. Some states do not consider animal cruelty a felony.
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