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Old 03-10-2012, 10:01 PM   #211
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This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.
This is not a first amendment issue, anyone who frames it to be so doesn't understand the constitution and/ or healthcare.
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:18 PM   #212
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Were we ever mandated to do so before? My health insurance covers contraception and I'm perfectly fine with that even though I no longer use it.

This is about respecting the First Amendment and about allowing free enterprise to pass on "free" services as a cost containment strategy rather than being mandated by a heavy-handed government to do so.

We now return control of this thread to the rest of you.

Why wouldn't anyone want birth control to be covered? While viagra may help ED, Its effects are felt primarily by the individual drug user (and, perhaps, his partner). By contrast, contraceptive care provides individual women with a great modicum of reproductive control, and allows a greater chance at economic independence (young and low-income heterosexual women denied access to contraception are far more likely to be forced into public assistance and/or poverty than those to whom this basic health care requirement is attainable).
Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. Every dose of Viagra subsidized by private or governmental insurers saves men from sexual frustration and… drumroll, please… the embarrassment of hearing their wives and girlfriends say, "That’s OK, honey, it happens to every guy, once in a while."
The purpose of this program was to provide a service that would benefit society and not a mandate or force anyone to do anything against their religion. That just came about from persons wanting to make it political. Now it probably won't happen so we stay mired in the rhetoric.
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Every public dollar spent on contraceptive services prevents $4 in public expenditures on unwanted or unplanned pregnancies.
I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:23 PM   #214
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I'm curious what your source for that statistic is. And if it's true, I'm wondering why this hasn't been trumpeted left and right for being a fiscally responsible measure.

Indy, if the above stat is true, would that shift you thoughts on the issue at all?
Can we continue this in the health care mandate thread?

I'll wait for more info on that stat and on whether "contraceptive services" includes abortion?
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:02 PM   #215
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tudents and staff at a high school in Dunkerton, Ia., were shocked when an assembly intended to address drug and bullying issues instead featured anti-gay messages that offended many students, staff and parents, the Lacrosse Tribune reports.


"They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42," parent Jennifer Littlefield told the Lacrosse Tribune. "It just blows me away that no one stopped this."
The group also told students that girls who aren't virgins at their weddings will have mud on their dresses, according to the paper.


Junkyard Prophet, the Minnesota-based traveling band that was brought to Dunkerton High School to discuss practices for good decision making, is part of the You Can Run But You Cannot Hide Christian youth ministry that holds assemblies in public schools.
Twin sisters Brandi and Randi Smith, told the Waterloo Cedar Falls Courier that, while they consider themselves to be Christian, they don't believe a performance like that should take place at a school -- and that student interaction has changed drastically since the incident.
"The whole school's like way tense," Brandi told the paper. "No one's getting along any more."
Students have since started a petition urging school officials not to allow similar performances in the future, according to the Courier.
Superintendent Jim Stanton told the Lacrosse Tribune that the group received good feedback when they performed at the school in the past, and that they must have changed their message since then.
Stanton told Talking Points Memo that Dunkerton High School now has an "action plan" that will make sure all performers are properly screened before taking the school stage in the future and that counseling is being offered to students who may have felt ostracized by the performance.
“We’ve learned from this,” Stanton told TPM. “It will never happen again.”
'Junkyard Prophet' Shocks Iowa School With Anti-Gay Messages At Assembly (VIDEO)

I would have put this in the same sex marriage thread, but the mention of how this group views women who don't save sex for marriage made me put this posting here.

Seriously, how disgusting is this band? And what exactly was the school thinking when they brought them there? They might as well have Neo-Nazis come speak at their school. And how come no one did any research on Junkyard Prophet? I wouldn't be surprised if this was done on purpose. That, or the lack of responsibility is appalling.

ETA: the leader of Junkyard Prophet - Bradlee Dean - has been known for making anti-gay statements for a while now, not just at public schools.
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Um, yeah, I'd like to know how the hell this got okayed, too, and who okayed it (and what the hell does gay marriage or premarital sex have to do with drugs and bullying?).

I'm glad to know that many parents and students objected to the message, though. That's certainly reassuring.
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I'm more offended by the parents who named their twin daughters Brandi and Randi.
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"Mud on their dress"? Is this some euphemism I've never heard before?
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I wondered about that, too. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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This basketball dad was apparently trying a little too hard to "Be Like Mike" -- Mike Tyson, that is.

Massachusetts dad Timothy Forbes, 34, allegedly went berserk Friday when his 6th-grade son's basketball team lost a game. Police say he attacked the winning team's coach and bit off part of his ear, according to USA Today.

The unidentified coach was rushed to the hospital where his ear was surgically reattached.

When the game ended -- at Holy Name School in Springfield -- Forbes allegedly barreled through several 10- to 12-year-old kids before he made it to the coach.

"During the brief but violent assault assault, part of the coach's [left] ear was bitten off," Police Sgt. John Delaney told The Republican.

Other parents reportedly tried to pull Forbes off the coach, but the alleged assailant fled before cops arrived. Forbes turned himself in at the Springfield courthouse on Monday and pleaded not guilty to disorderly conduct, assault and battery, felony mayhem and other charges.
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Forbes turned himself in at the Springfield courthouse on Monday and pleaded not guilty
... by reason of insanity?
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Not Linsanity

Basketball was invented in Springfield, I've been to the Basketball Hall Of Fame there and it's awesome. Good to know that bat shit crazy is alive and well there too.
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I wondered about that, too. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
I took it as a sign that they would be something "dirty" and therefore would be damaged goods, something I've noticed many abstinence groups say.
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I took it as a sign that they would be something "dirty" and therefore would be damaged goods
I think that's what it means
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Fairfax investigates allegation of racially insensitive behavior by high school teacher
By Emma Brown, Published: March 16

Fairfax County school administrators are investigating a student’s allegations of racially insensitive behavior by a veteran English teacher at George C. Marshall High School.

Ninth-grader Jordan Shumate said that during class this month, he was reading aloud a poem by acclaimed African American writer Langston Hughes when his teacher interrupted and directed him to read in a “blacker” style.

“She told me, ‘Blacker, Jordan — c’mon, blacker. I thought you were black,’ ” said Shumate, who is African American.

Shumate told his mother, Nicole Cober Page, about the incident Tuesday. She complained to school administrators.

“We take these allegations very seriously, and we’re investigating,” Principal Jay Pearson said Friday. He declined to provide further details.

Shumate, 14, and his mother identified the teacher as Marilyn Bart. Bart did not respond Thursday or Friday to e-mail and phone inquiries about the incident. Records show that Bart has worked in Fairfax schools since 1990.

Another ninth-grader, Kaila Denny, said she witnessed the incident. Shumate was “just sitting there reading normally like any person would,” Denny said, when Bart instructed him to speak “blacker.”

Shumate said that when he refused to continue reading the poem, Bart read it aloud herself, demonstrating what she meant.

“She sounded like a maid in the 1960s,” Shumate said. “She read the poem like a slave, basically.”

Shumate said he asked Bart that day whether she thinks all black people speak that way. She reprimanded him for talking out of turn, he said, and told him to take his seat.

Cober Page said she spoke with Pearson by telephone Friday about the incident but learned nothing more from him about Bart’s side of the story.

“My feeling is that he is an advocate for the kids and wants this to be taken seriously,” Cober Page said of the principal.

The poem Shumate read in class was Hughes’s “Ballad of the Landlord.” The poem, written in 1940, tells of a black tenant thrown in jail for challenging a deadbeat landlord.

“Landlord, landlord,” it begins. “My roof has sprung a leak./Don’t you ’member I told you about it/Way last week?”

If the teacher thought the poem should be delivered in a Southern dialect, she could have said so without referring to race, Cober Page said.

Shumate said it wasn’t the only time that he felt singled out in English class because of his race.

This week, in preparation for reading literature about the Holocaust, the teacher showed photographs to illustrate common stereotypes about different groups of people, Shumate said.

Shumate said Bart showed an image of grape soda — a drink of choice among African Americans, according to a racial stereotype — and asked him to explain its meaning. Denny corroborated his account.

“I do know the stereotypes,” Shumate said, “but she could change the questions so I’m not like the king of black people.”
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