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Old 08-03-2009, 08:57 AM   #16
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Yeah like assuming a meager human can change the will of God if they pray hard enough? If only that worked, imagine how peaceful, or how awful, the world could be...

I am a Christian but those who know me know I have a pretty bitter view as far as "petitionary prayer" goes, stemming from the fact that Jesus himself prayed to God and his prayer was not answered. If Jesus cannot change the will of God to intervene on his behalf then I guess the rest of us depraved sinners are fucked. As far as I see it, God gave us hospitals and doctors and medicine.
I am also a Christian, attended a Methodist Church, while growing up. The first thing I would have done is to call 911. Type 1 Diabetics are insulin dependent, they will die without their medications.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:02 AM   #17
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A man of conviction, he obviously has more faith than most posters in FYM.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:10 AM   #18
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Apparently this is the "church" (or more correctly online community, since it has no physical existence) this couple belonged to:

Unleavened Bread Ministries - Warning: These Are America's Last Days
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The link below shows that a search brought up 172 children who died in 20 years of "Religious Medical Neglect"(?) But it doesn’t come close to 250,000+ per year (plus 238,337 in the Medicare system) by malpractice of the medical establishment. Common sense tells us that it's neglect if you don't trust in God
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Why are we pointing out the weakness of the medical establishment? To scare you away from them? No, you can only go where you have faith to go. It is to show you that true trusting in God is far superior and should be legal by any common sense.
Common Sense tells me that this is bullshit.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:52 PM   #19
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When will these fundamentalists (in my eyes similar to terrorists!!!) finally understand that God has given mankind the brains and knowledge to make medicine and to be able to do surgery in order to save one another?
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A man of conviction, he obviously has more faith than most posters in FYM.


is faith a virtue?
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:19 AM   #21
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Nice cute comment there from A-wanderer. Faith, conviction, whatever. I'd second those above who point out that for intelligent people of faith (not lunacy; not a cargo cult), the point is that God gave us brains to use.
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:22 AM   #22
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A very sad story. Worth remembering there are crazies in every group though.
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is faith a virtue?
It use to be yes but then like five year old's who believe in Santa Claus we finally grew up
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:40 PM   #24
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It use to be yes but then like five year old's who believe in Santa Claus we finally grew up
So, are you saying anyone who does have faith has yet to grow up? Because if you do, don't you think you're negatively putting a label on someone?
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So, are you saying anyone who does have faith has yet to grow up? Because if you do, don't you think you're negatively putting a label on someone?
No Pearl I would not go that far (trying to be reasonable) but as I have said previously in this thread I try to look at things not through my own eyes but through the lives of others as a whole does that make sense

I personally lost faith when it dawned on me that there was no Heavenly Bodyguard watching over mankind let alone....... o forget it I need to stay outta this part of the forum LOL
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is faith a virtue?
Blind or misplaced faith certainly isn't...
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:47 PM   #27
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i wonder what legal impact this case will have on religions which refuse to have blood transfusions etc...?

i knew of some Jehovah's witnesses who refused to give their kid asthma medication - they would just open his window at night when he was getting tight-chested so he could get fresh air... scary stuff!

ahh i just think there are some very stupid people in all walks of life whatever the label
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