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Old 06-08-2010, 09:27 PM   #1
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Farewell to Helen Thomas

Farewell to Helen Thomas
Monday, June 7, 2010 02:30 PM

By: Edward I. Koch

Helen Thomas, 89, who is of Lebanese descent, claims to be a professional journalist.

As such, she is subject to professional standards. Her statement that Jews should “get the hell out of Palestine” and go back to "Poland and Germany" is clear evidence that she is no longer in control of her emotions and cognitive powers and that she cannot carry out the impartial obligations of a journalist.

She has disgraced herself.

Jews have lived in the area known in modern times as the British Mandate of Palestine, for thousands of years and up to the present time.

Indeed, Israelite civilization goes back to the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as well as to King David and King Solomon. We Jews spring from the loins of those patriarchs.

The State of Israel sits where the Jewish kingdoms of Judea and Israel reigned thousands of years ago.

Ms. Thomas has embarrassed not only herself, but also her employer, Hearst News Service, as well as her colleagues who attend the White House press conferences with her.

Her apology is hollow, unbelievable, and unacceptable. She would do everyone a favor by leaving the stage. Goodbye, Ms. Thomas.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:29 PM   #2
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Koch is meshuga
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This is already being discussed in the Israel thread, so I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to post a new thread. And it's kind of surprising that someone that claims to be anti-war would post such a thread, but I guess the libertarian movement is a broad church.

She absolutely should not have said what she said - and maybe it does point to a latent anti-semitism on her part, I really don't know - but that lady has guts. She called the neo-con war machine on their bullshit and said what the majority of her so-called journalistic peers were afraid to say back in the 2003-2005 period, particularly. And, more recently, with Obama, she didn't do the usual liberal journalist thing of "go easy on the new guy, he's one of us", she continued to ask the tough questions. How quickly we forget.

Incidentally, the first line in the article is real nice.
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^

I was going to say something about that line. Thank you for beating me to it.

Errr, deep's post that is.
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Koch is meshuga


meshuga Yiddish
adj
crazy
[from Hebrew]

And please remember, Helen Thomas is NOT.

She wrote the truth.
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I would think The Iron Horse and Indy would both love her. After all, she sure isn't what anyone could call politically correct.

Huh. maybe TIH does love her...I have to admit I haven't read all the way through the other thread because after a while I find I just don't give a fuck. I'd be a lousy diplomat because I'd most likely tell various warring groups they deserve each other and to just fucking figure it out.
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This is already being discussed in the Israel thread, so I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to post a new thread. And it's kind of surprising that someone that claims to be anti-war would post such a thread, but I guess the libertarian movement is a broad church.

She absolutely should not have said what she said - and maybe it does point to a latent anti-semitism on her part, I really don't know - but that lady has guts. She called the neo-con war machine on their bullshit and said what the majority of her so-called journalistic peers were afraid to say back in the 2003-2005 period, particularly. And, more recently, with Obama, she didn't do the usual liberal journalist thing of "go easy on the new guy, he's one of us", she continued to ask the tough questions. How quickly we forget.

Incidentally, the first line in the article is real nice.
Agreed. As someone I've long admired, it saddens me that she's going out this way.

Who knows whether it's latent anti-Semitism, or some cognitive dysfunction due to age. Either way it's just...sad.
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I would think The Iron Horse and Indy would both love her. After all, she sure isn't what anyone could call politically correct.

Huh. maybe TIH does love her...I have to admit I haven't read all the way through the other thread because after a while I find I just don't give a fuck. I'd be a lousy diplomat because I'd most likely tell various warring groups they deserve each other and to just fucking figure it out.


That's easy to say.

People have died and are being killed.
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AMY GOODMAN: Do you think that her comments, for which she apologized, were problematic?

JAMES ABOUREZK: No, I don’t, to be very honest with you. If you understand what Helen was trying to say, is that there are Palestinians sitting in refugee camps all over the Middle East who cannot get back into Israel yet. Ashkenazi Jews from all over Europe are able to come freely, and from America, too, and I think that’s what she was referring to. They’re calling Helen a racist. There’s no way that she’s a racist. She never has been, never will be.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go back and play when Helen Thomas actually said, because I just want to be clear. People have heard it different ways. It has been represented different ways on the internet. But we’re going to go back right now to what Helen Thomas said on May 27th.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Any advice for these young people over here for starting out in the press corps?

HELEN THOMAS: Go for it. You’ll never be unhappy. You’ll always keep people informed. And you’ll always keep learning. The greatest thing of the profession is never stop learning.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Today they’re covering the Jewish Heritage Month. Any—

HELEN THOMAS: Are they going to meet the President?

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Yeah, and any comments on Israel? We’re asking everybody today. Any comments on Israel?

HELEN THOMAS: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Ooh, any better comments than that?

UNIDENTIFIED: Helen is blunt.

HELEN THOMAS: Remember, these people are occupied, and it’s their land. It’s not Germany, and it’s not Poland.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: So where should they go? What should they do?

HELEN THOMAS: They could go home.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Where is their home?

HELEN THOMAS: Poland, Germany—

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: So the Jews—you’re saying Jews should go back to Poland and Germany?

HELEN THOMAS: —and America and everywhere else. Why push people out of there who have lived there for centuries? See?

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: Now, are you familiar with the history of that region and what took place?

HELEN THOMAS: Very much. I’m of Arab background.

RABBI DAVID NESENOFF: I see.


AMY GOODMAN: So, what Helen Thomas was saying is the Jews should go back—I presume it would be Israeli Jews; she said "they"—the Israeli Jews should go back to Poland, to Germany, to the United States. Senator Abourezk?

JAMES ABOUREZK: Yes. You have a question?

AMY GOODMAN: Well, the question of whether Jews should be able to live in Israel.

JAMES ABOUREZK: Well, Jews ought to be able to live in Israel, but not in the Occupied Territories, because that’s what the Palestinians have offered, is a peace—and all the Arab countries—is a peace agreement, if the settlers be taken out of the West Bank and if Gaza and the West Bank were allowed to be part of a Palestinian state. Now that’s the long and the short of it. I don’t believe Helen really said get them out of the other parts they’ve already taken, but I think—I’ve talked to her before. I think she’s in favor of a—and myself—of a two-state solution, or if that won’t work, back to a one-state solution.
Veteran White House Reporter Helen Thomas Retires After Israel Remarks
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Wow, I just looked at the other thread and like many places online, she's being demonized by some. I don't want to get into it in there and ruin my self-imposed fym break, but people have to realize that dementia is very, very common in that age group (I recently heard a stat that one third of those who live to over 80 will get it), and that those suffering it don't go from normal to batshit crazy in a matter of days - it manifests over years, and often begins with inappropriate remarks like this. Getting out of bed and going to work daily at 89 is quite an accomplishment. I wish people could be a little more empathetic in this case and realize that there just might be something more going on than an evil woman finally showing her true colours, here.

Back to my break...
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Wow, I just looked at the other thread and like many places online, she's being demonized by some. I don't want to get into it in there and ruin my self-imposed fym break, but people have to realize that dementia is very, very common in that age group (I recently heard a stat that one third of those who live to over 80 will get it), and that those suffering it don't go from normal to batshit crazy in a matter of days - it manifests over years, and often begins with inappropriate remarks like this. Getting out of bed and going to work daily at 89 is quite an accomplishment. I wish people could be a little more empathetic in this case and realize that there just might be something more going on than an evil woman finally showing her true colours, here.

Back to my break...



So her comment is caused dementia?

And so she being demonized?


She's been a reporter for the past four decades or more.

I guess I'm missing something here or somewhere
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If all the recent immigrants to the West Bank in the settlements would go the hell back to their country of origin, we might be able to move ahead with a viable two state solution.

Instead we have a Israeli right wing coalition government with Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman, a Shas party member recruiting and encouraging immigrants from Europe (Germany, Poland) and America to live in settlements on Palestinian land in the West Bank.
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I guess I'm missing something here or somewhere
It seems like you are...
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Please tell me what I am missing?
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