Eyeful of breast-feeding mom sparks outrage - Page 7 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-31-2006, 12:41 PM   #91
War Child
 
Devlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 922
Local Time: 10:50 AM
Seems to me that both Salome and Mussgy missed my point - yes, m'dear Salome, I know where babies come from. And yes, Muggsy, I was born of a woman after the usual fashion. Knew it when I was five, and knew what the proper terms for the necessary equipment were and looked like, too. Shocking as it is, my mother showed them to me from this giant sex encylopedia-type book she had, and that I was perfectly welcome to read at any time. Hilarious.

My point is this: It is uncomfortable for me. Would I jump up and demand a nursing mother stop? Absolutely not. Not only is that completely rude and moronic, I don't think there's anything wrong with breastfeeding one's kid. Yay! Breastfeed away! That doesn't mean I don't find it uncomfortable to glance over and find some random woman's breast partially exposed. In such a situation, I simply find something else to look at.

This said, I don't see why a mother isn't sexy or sensual merely because she's a mother. I should hope a mother breastfeeding IS a sexy thing (not in the pornographic sense, though that wouldn't exactly bug me) - after all, how else did she get that baby in the first place!

maybe we ought to shred that whole 'Mothers are innocent, pure, and wholesome' crapola for once and all.

That whole ideal is probably why I don't want to become a mother..it's repulsive to me that I'd lose my sensuality and sexuality in people's eyes simply because I have a baby attached. Jeez. NO wonder may women feel like crap after they have kids. They are denied the right to be sensual, sexy, and earthy. Ugh.
__________________

__________________
Devlin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 01:21 PM   #92
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by AliEnvy

That said, those that choose not to breastfeed in front of others, whatever the reasons, should not be made to feel guilty.
Absolutely, it's all about the right of mothers to choose-whether or not to breastfeed, or to do so in private or public. That right should be theirs though, and it shouldn't be taken away from them just because other people have hangups and/or issues surrounding an exposed breast-and when has anyone ever seen a woman breastfeeding in public with as much breast exposed as it is on that magazine cover? Certainly not in the US. Most women manage to cover up so that you can't even see any breast, with a blanket or towel, etc. They shouldn't be made to feel like they have to go to a bathroom or that they are being indecent in any way.

And that's a great point about pregnant women exposing their bellies-celebrities are making it fashionable now, and I think it's beautiful.
__________________

__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 01:41 PM   #93
The Fly
 
Greenlight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Never far from a cup of coffee
Posts: 282
Local Time: 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Devlin


My point is this: It is uncomfortable for me. Would I jump up and demand a nursing mother stop? Absolutely not. Not only is that completely rude and moronic, I don't think there's anything wrong with breastfeeding one's kid. Yay! Breastfeed away! That doesn't mean I don't find it uncomfortable to glance over and find some random woman's breast partially exposed. In such a situation, I simply find something else to look at.

.
I remember when I was breastfeeding my first child some younger friends (of both sexes) admitted that they were quite apprehensive and uncomfortable about visiting us as they had never seen a mum breastfeeding up close before and they weren't sure if they wanted to. They later said after they'd seen me feed a few times that they couldn't see what all the fuss about and it seemed completely natural.
I think it's only through a combination of education and exposure (no pun intended!) that people will acclimatise to the issue and accept it. Now if only a few celebrity mums were to feed in public that might make it more acceptable....
__________________
Greenlight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 01:57 PM   #94
Refugee
 
AliEnvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,320
Local Time: 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Greenlight
Now if only a few celebrity mums were to feed in public that might make it more acceptable....
That would turn it into cheap tabloid fodder which is probably why they don't.

Vanity Fair should do a cover with Britney Spears nursing after the baby is born...the naked pregnant celebrity has been done before.
__________________
AliEnvy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 03:15 PM   #95
War Child
 
shrmn8rpoptart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Seward, NE
Posts: 516
Local Time: 04:50 AM
Apparently this has not been an issue until our age in history
__________________
shrmn8rpoptart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 09:47 PM   #96
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 02:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by yolland

I agree about not pre-emptively judging people who Don't See Things With The Perfect Clarity I Do, but I don't think "modesty" is sufficient explanation for why in this case "going out of our way to not offend someone" might be desirable--you have to go further than that, break it down into what precisely would be the reason for taking offense or diagnosing immodesty. Is it because breastfeeding could be seen as having sexual connotations? If so, then we have a basic-definitions disagreement problem, because clearly many people do not see breastfeeding as in any sense sexual (as opposed to, e.g., setting guidelines for how low-cut a shirt one may wear in the workplace, where you generally have agreement in principle that there is indeed an attempt to appear sexually attractive involved). Or is it because breastfeeding falls into the category of bodily functions? In that case, then you have to further define which bodily functions it's most analogous to, because obviously we have widely varying ideas of what constitutes "propriety," depending on the function in question. I think this is why several people kept making the point that nursing is essentially a form of eating (which we don't generally frown upon in public, unless crumbs or wrappers on the floor is a hygiene issue), as opposed to, e.g., a form of excreting waste.

I’m not sure we have a clear answer for why we are modest. Sex has been the predominate suggestion, but I think there is quite a bit more there. I’d ask the ladies, why would you go into a dressing room to try on a blouse if they were wearing a bra? No breast exposed. No overt sexual message. There seems to be more driving our own modesty, thus our desire (or expectation) for more modesty.

The examples of cheerleaders, VS ads and the like are really not the equivalent to the situation here.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 10:10 PM   #97
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by nbcrusader



I’m not sure we have a clear answer for why we are modest. Sex has been the predominate suggestion, but I think there is quite a bit more there. I’d ask the ladies, why would you go into a dressing room to try on a blouse if they were wearing a bra? No breast exposed. No overt sexual message. There seems to be more driving our own modesty, thus our desire (or expectation) for more modesty.

The examples of cheerleaders, VS ads and the like are really not the equivalent to the situation here.
What do you think is going on here, Nbc? Why are we modest beyond reasons having to do with sex, in your opinon?
__________________
maycocksean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 10:49 PM   #98
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 02:50 AM
I think modesty is a way of showing respect for each other. It is not just about covering our sexual organs, it is about not drawing extreme attention to ourselves.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 11:01 PM   #99
Forum Moderator
 
yolland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,471
Local Time: 11:50 AM
But doesn't that beg the question of what it is that's drawing that extreme attention to oneself? Why would we generally consider a woman trying a blouse on sans dressing room (to use your example) to be any more immodest than the same woman trying on a pair of shoes in public view? Isn't it because a naked (or lingerie-clad only) female torso is seen as more sexual than a naked female pair of feet?

I do agree with you that this situation is different from VS or cheerleaders, in that the whole point of those is they're spectacles intended to be looked at, and don't have any of that "Whoops! Wasn't expecting to see that!" aspect.
__________________
yolland [at] interference.com


μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης
yolland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 11:04 PM   #100
Refugee
 
Muggsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: I live in colombia, with a box of watercolors and butterflies in my tummy
Posts: 2,033
Local Time: 05:50 AM
For me...all that "modesty" concept is another way to say that women's bodies are sinful. When I heard that modesty is a way to avoid attention from others is like giving an excuse to harrass anyone who is showing a part of their body.
__________________
Muggsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 11:27 PM   #101
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 02:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by yolland
But doesn't that beg the question of what it is that's drawing that extreme attention to oneself? Why would we generally consider a woman trying a blouse on sans dressing room (to use your example) to be any more immodest than the same woman trying on a pair of shoes in public view? Isn't it because a naked (or lingerie-clad only) female torso is seen as more sexual than a naked female pair of feet?
Yes, you can pull out a sexual aspect in modesty. What comes to mind is the "No shirt - No service" rules that prevent Bubba from eating at the diner. Nothing sexual there. Yet, an expectation of modesty as part of the public setting.

And, no, Bubba is not a victim here.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2006, 11:50 PM   #102
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
WildHoneyAlways's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In a glass case of emotion
Posts: 8,158
Local Time: 04:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Muggsy
For me...all that "modesty" concept is another way to say that women's bodies are sinful. When I heard that modesty is a way to avoid attention from others is like giving an excuse to harrass anyone who is showing a part of their body.
I disagree. For example, modesty in dress at the workplace. Maybe I've got an outdated p.o.v but I think professional dress at work is still important for both men and women.
__________________
WildHoneyAlways is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 06:14 AM   #103
you are what you is
 
Salome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 22,016
Local Time: 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Devlin
Seems to me that both Salome and Mussgy missed my point - yes, m'dear Salome, I know where babies come from. And yes, Muggsy, I was born of a woman after the usual fashion. Knew it when I was five, and knew what the proper terms for the necessary equipment were and looked like, too. Shocking as it is, my mother showed them to me from this giant sex encylopedia-type book she had, and that I was perfectly welcome to read at any time. Hilarious.

My point is this: It is uncomfortable for me.
I think you've been missing the point yourself
and not by a little bit either

1. since you are aware where babies come from and
2. you're also aware that babies need food and
3. that mankind much like a lot of other animals provide this by having the mother breastfeed and
4. breastfeeding is the most healthy thing for the baby and
5. therefore a lot of people have been breastfed or are breastfeeding so

it's such a natural part of human life that I am baffled to learn that there is anything to feel uncomfortable about
__________________
Salome is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 06:28 AM   #104
Blue Crack Addict
 
Laura M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 18,932
Local Time: 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Devlin

That whole ideal is probably why I don't want to become a mother..it's repulsive to me that I'd lose my sensuality and sexuality in people's eyes simply because I have a baby attached. Jeez. NO wonder may women feel like crap after they have kids. They are denied the right to be sensual, sexy, and earthy. Ugh.


If you're not even a mother, how do you know they are denied the right to be sensual, sexy and earthy?
__________________
Laura M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2006, 06:38 AM   #105
The Fly
 
OceanGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 256
Local Time: 08:20 PM
Quote:
Yes, you can pull out a sexual aspect in modesty. What comes to mind is the "No shirt - No service" rules that prevent Bubba from eating at the diner. Nothing sexual there. Yet, an expectation of modesty as part of the public setting.

And, no, Bubba is not a victim here.
Is that an actual rule over there? Or is that an example you made up to make a point??

If you are serious, that is shocking! And yes, in a situation such as this, the baby WOULD be a victim.
__________________

__________________
OceanGirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com