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Old 08-08-2006, 01:02 PM   #151
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Well, technically, yes, it could infect pool water (body flud of a sort that it is!).



However, that would call into question the pool owners' lack of chlorine usage..
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:12 PM   #152
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Nbc, did you have an issue with the magazine cover shown on the first page of this thread?
No. I was trying to frame a discussable issue on the topic of public breast feeding - trying to understand and examine the objections people have to the activity.
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Old 08-08-2006, 02:54 PM   #153
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Well, technically, yes, it could infect pool water (body flud of a sort that it is!).



However, that would call into question the pool owners' lack of chlorine usage..
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:34 PM   #154
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This is what Wikipedia says. I'd still much rather swim in a pool that had breast milk in it than, uh, other things that could be in there. And how would a nursing mother get it into the pool anyway? They're not nursing in the pool.

Composition

The exact integrated properties of breast milk are not entirely understood, but the nutrient content after this period is relatively consistent and draws its ingredients from the mother's food supply. If that supply is found lacking, content is obtained from the mother's bodily stores. The exact composition of breast milk varies from day to day, depending on food consumption and environment, meaning that the ratio of water to fat fluctuates. Foremilk, the milk released at the beginning of a feed, is watery, low in fat and high in carbohydrates relative to the creamier hindmilk which is released as the feed progresses. The breast can never be truly "emptied" since milk production is a continuous biological process.

Though now it is almost universally prescribed, in the 1950s the practice of breastfeeding went through a period where it was out of vogue and the use of infant formula was considered superior to breast milk.

Some components of human breastmilk absent or deficient in pasteurized cow's milk (peptides such as cystine are destroyed by pasteurization):

* Vitamins (fat and water soluble)
* Minerals (especially Calcium, Phosphorus, and Zinc)
* Lactose (aids in Calcium absorption)
* Bile Salt Stimulated Lipase (aids in digestion of fats)
* Cystine
* Taurine
* Secretory Immunoglobulin A (sIgA)
* Lactoferrin (binds Iron and makes it unavailable to bacteria in the intestines)
* Lysozyme (breaks cell walls of bacteria in the GI tract)
* Bifidus Factor (creates more acidic stool, inhibits growth of harmful bacteria)
* Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids
* Essential Fatty Acids (Linoleic, Linolenic, Arachadonic)
* Whey protein
* HIV (if mother is HIV+)
* Toxic chemicals (if mother is exposed)
o DDT
o PCB
* Alcohol (if mother drinks)
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:46 PM   #155
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Well, technically, yes, it could infect pool water (body flud of a sort that it is!).
Why don't we ban women from pools entirely seeing as to how they have minimal vaginal discharge on a daily basis?

I mean, we have no business infecting your pools!
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:49 PM   #156
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And what about menstruating women?
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toss a baby on that woman
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Old 08-19-2006, 10:38 PM   #158
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ooh, ooh...I couldn't resist putting in my own late-to-the-party two cents here!
It's an issue near and dear to my heart, not just because the breasts lie there

Breastfeeding is a beautiful thing, and truly the best thing for babies and moms and the relationship between the two. Goodness, recent stories about how extra time breastfeeding in developing countries would go a long way toward eradicating child malnutrition (breastmilk is much more nutritious than variably available rice gruel, for instance), and the tales of poor babies stuck in lebanon or wherever without formula...my heart sank and I just wished those babies were breastfed and thus in far less danger relying on mom's presence than on mom's ability to get to the right store, etc.
These issues surrounding modesty are so interesting...
I am convinced that one reason women don't breasfeed for as long or at all, to the detriment of both themselves and their babies, is the stigma associated with it. There is absolutely no way that gorgeous picture of a baby nursing, taking from the mother warmth and sustenance and love and giving her that stunning look of contentment and thankfulness and the oxytocin boost to her mental and physical well-being which comes with nursing, reflects how naked a breast needs to get in public, lol!
Breasts barely need to get uncovered to nurse in public, but yet moms sometimes feel disapproval about it, and that's just wrong. It's funny, how at this point in my life, I'm "offended" by seeing mothers feed their young babies with bottles when they have a perfectly useful pair of breasts under their arms holding the piece of plastic to their little one's lips.
And I don't think that this de-sensualizes breasts, any more than holding a bottle de-sensualizes fingers, any more than kissing your baby's cheek de-sensualizes lips. It's all about *context*, and what is being done. Getting more comfortable with breasts peeking out sometimes to nurse a baby might serve to *de-fetish-ize* breasts, but I don't think it takes away from the owner's sensuality, nor does it detract from the breast as part of the womanly sexiness package. I am so sad to hear that anyone might shy away from becoming a mother, or from breastfeeding (hmm...maybe that's another issue for women choosing not to breastfeed...), because they feel that it takes away their sexuality, or that their body becomes merely a vehicle for nutrition delivery. Indeed, as Angela Harlem indicated, *not* breastfeeding after pregnancy can very negatively affect the return to normal functioning in many arenas, including sexuality. I find it kinda gross actually when people get offended, because to me it either implies a sort of deep misogyny or a weird sexualization of a baby. Yeah, a breast is still a breast, so women will need to be discreet, but why anyone can find it more acceptable to be 'offended' by a woman tending lovingly to her babe in the best possible way than to be 'offended' by a breast or a belly or a hipbone mostly exposed in the name of fashion or hookin-up puzzles me. Milk is of no danger, even in the bleeding pool! It actually has antiseptic properties...was it on the Sopranos that I first heard about that lol?...you can squirt it in your own (that's a bit of a trick!) or your baby's eye to prevent or treat eye infections. Any Swedes out there? They breastfeed their babies longer than the rest of Europe I think and surely longer than Americans do, and I don't think they have either mass unrest due to seeing breasts in babies' mouths nor loss of sexual functioning among women who give their babies' their breasts.
I loved that portrait a couple pages back....and I agree with those who say that a couple celebs breastfeeding would be good maybe. We're such a celeb-focused culture that it can only be good if say Britney were to be photographed nursing her baby in public. Well, maybe not Britney, come to think of it...she isn't exactly the model mother. Maybe Julia Roberts or Sarah Jessica Parker or Angelina...yes, please Angelina!
I think people have a misconception about what breastfeeding moms really expect in terms of social interaction while they tend to their babies as well. My feeling is that looking away is actually desired while mom is getting baby settled in for feeding. No need to watch baby 'latch on', is my feeling. You can look discreetly away for that part. Often the baby will then nurse to sleep or have a quick snack and be done anyway--it's typically only when starting out that there's any significant boob exposure. Sure, if mom were offering a bottle then those around her could comfortably chat, make eye contact with her, look right at that little one sucking away at a rubber or silicone imitation of her nipple. The baby would be maybe looking at mom, maybe grabbing some part of her body, maybe holding only the bottle. So, that's easier for everyone to watch. But babies who take a bottle on some occasions are more likely to quit nursing earlier. If mom works and there's no alternative, then sure babies will need to use bottles at least some of the time, but if mom is doesn't want to 'offend' and so is offering a bottle "only in public", it's a recipe for an earlier end to nursing, because babes get milk easier from the bottle than from the breast (leading, many studies indicate, to greater obesity issues; and to higher rates of problems with teeth, jaw, and language development due to reduced working of the facial muscles, different orientation to the fake nipple than to the real, and increased risk of ear infections from formula use than with breastmilk) and the kind of sucking they do is different for the two.
The American Academy of Pediatricians finally started recommending *exclusive* breastfeeding for the first 6 months, and then to try to extend that to at least a year if possible (this http://www.aap.org/advocacy/releases...astfeeding.htm shows some of their stats, issues vis a vis breastfeeding, etc). I don't tend to be shy about possibly offending people
but I'm sure if we all were less weirded out and just fine with looking away if we felt uncomfy and didn't need to call in and rip up copies of magazines showing this lovely process American women and women the world over would be better able to nurse their babes, maintain their own health, and not feel like cows in the process (though I must say, I very much respect women who pump milk..I could never get that to work well, I needed a baby at my breast to have milk flow well, and happily was able to have that be feasible. that was the only breastfeeding-related process that made me feel, well, cowlike). Most nursing will still occur in private, where the sensuality of it as a loving touch that's sustenance and bonding at once can be indulged in, but it would be so much better for
everyone, imho, if women didn't feel like pariahs if baby gets hungry at the park or the pool or the mall.

Cheers all!
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According to Drudge..

MARIE CLAIRE Magazine publishes a fake photo of ABCNEWS anchor Elizabeth Vargas -- who appears to be breastfeeding her new baby boy at the anchor desk!

The controversial photo accompanies a Q & A with Vargas in the December issue.

A source close to the anchor says Vargas' is disappointed but has a sense of humor about the whole thing.

"Elizabeth was more than happy to sit for the interview but was disturbed that the magazine would set aside basic journalistic standards to photoshop her head onto a fake image. Vargas did joke that her real baby is cuter, that she is proud to breastfeed her newborn but wouldn't do it at the anchor desk and that she wouldn't be caught dead in that ugly gold blouse!"

A MARIE CLAIRE spokesperson counters: "There isn’t a working mother who can’t relate to this image and immediately identify with the very real dilemma Elizabeth Vargas wrestled with. We do not believe anyone seriously thought she would nurse and report the news the same time! This is an image illustration and is stated so with the byline of this story. We only want to make the point that women choosing between their career and being a parent is a tough decision that we are very sensitive to. We at MARIE CLAIRE think that Vargas is a great journalist and we look forward to watching her on 20/20. We are also grateful for her interview, which we hope reaches the many women who can relate to this serious topic."

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Why don't we ban women from pools entirely seeing as to how they have minimal vaginal discharge on a daily basis?

I mean, we have no business infecting your pools!
If she has a communicable disease, and she leaks, yes, breastmilk can infect someone. Granted, it's not likely unless someone goes up to her and licks her, mind..

At any rate, I never suggested that a woman who breastfeeds shouldn't be allowed in the pool. That's ridiculous. Why the heck would anyone do that?

As for the rest of you guys with those 'ban-women' comments, cut the histrionics, would you? Geez. Just pointing out that it COULD happen. That it IS possible. Unlikely, but possible. SO rabid over something so miniscule.

Get Over Yourselves.
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Can we avoid a replay of some of this thread's more petty prior squabbles, please?
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How did I miss this thread!!!!!!

This cheered me up! I just got home from the hospital....

Apparently...I am carrying a child again.
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Apparently...I am carrying a child again.
Miracle of modern science?
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Miracle of modern science?
Kidney Stone....

I wonder if I will lactate after the delivery....
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Ouch!!! Sorry man.
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