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Old 01-09-2015, 04:41 AM   #91
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Most people are championing freedom of expression in a secular society. There are obviously clear legal limits to that but freedom of expression most certainly DOES NOT stop where your religiously based offence starts. That's preposterous.

I for one am tired of special allowances being afforded to religion that we would not afford to anyone else. If there is a cartoon of Muhammad making out with a guy or of Piss Christ painting, who the hell cares?
If you'd bothered to properly read what I wrote, you'd realize you're responding to things I neither said nor implied.

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I won't comment on the absurdity of your "they are morons or Muslim-haters" because that's really beneath any sort of rational discourse.
Fantastic, since I have no interest in engaging your straw man either.
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Old 01-09-2015, 07:11 AM   #92
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Not entirely related to the topic at hand, but somewhat:

One Tweet Perfectly Sums Up the Big Problem With How We Talk About Terrorism - Mic
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Old 01-09-2015, 07:48 AM   #93
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That's a ridiculous article.

You can't compare someone dropping a pipe bomb outside a building that did no damage and didn't hurt anybody to a professional massacre of 12 people in the middle of one of the worlds biggest cities. OF COURSE the stories were covered differently because they aren't the same at all.


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Old 01-09-2015, 08:02 AM   #94
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oh fuck another new siege under way in Paris, 5 hostages held in a kosher store by the gunman suspected as having killed the policewoman in yesterday's attack (which has now been confirmed as related to the Charlie Hebdo attack)

meanwhile French security/military services have surrounded the Charlie Hebdo gunmen, who have at least one hostage, on the premises of a business a few miles outside of Paris
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:03 AM   #95
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Arab newspapers around the world react to Charlie Hebdo attack
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:58 AM   #96
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The best article I have read so far can be found here:

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-we-need/?_r=2

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I disagree slightly with Jonathan Chait’s formulation today that “one cannot defend the right [to blaspheme] without defending the practice.” If I devoted my next blog post to a scabrous, profanity-laced satire of the Buddha, I would not expect Chait or anyone else to immediately leap to my defense if the Times decided to delete the post and dismiss me from its ranks of columnists. If I ran a reactionary website that devoted itself to recycling pre-modern calumnies against Jewish law and ritual, my rights as an American would not be traduced if people picketed my offices and other journalists told me I had a moral obligation to desist. And similarly, in a cultural and political vacuum, it would be okay to think that some of the images (anti-Islamic and otherwise) that Charlie Hebdo regularly published, especially those chosen entirely for their shock value, contributed little enough to public discussion that the world would not suffer from their absence.

But we are not in a vacuum. We are in a situation where my third point applies, because the kind of blasphemy that Charlie Hebdo engaged in had deadly consequences, as everyone knew it could … and that kind of blasphemy is precisely the kind that needs to be defended, because it’s the kind that clearly serves a free society’s greater good. If a large enough group of someones is willing to kill you for saying something, then it’s something that almost certainly needs to be said, because otherwise the violent have veto power over liberal civilization, and when that scenario obtains it isn’t really a liberal civilization any more. Again, liberalism doesn’t depend on everyone offending everyone else all the time, and it’s okay to prefer a society where offense for its own sake is limited rather than pervasive. But when offenses are policed by murder, that’s when we need more of them, not less, because the murderers cannot be allowed for a single moment to think that their strategy can succeed.
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Old 01-09-2015, 10:24 AM   #97
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Old 01-09-2015, 11:16 AM   #98
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They're covered differently because one was an attempt and one was an actual attack.

But there's no doubt that anyone, white, brown or green, who used religion as an excuse for violence is committing a terrorist act.
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"But when offenses are policed by murder, that’s when we need more of them, not less, because the murderers cannot be allowed for a single moment to think that their strategy can succeed."

Here's my problem with this type of reasoning: it's awfully easy to be super principled when you're writing from the safety of a home office or whatever. It's quite a different thing for people who are put in the line of danger for the sake of incendiary rhetoric.
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The two brothers are dead. As is the gal who was holding hostages.

I prefer we take these people alive, if only to learn from them. They can't speak when they're dead. Instead we'll fill in their words for them (on both sides)
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Don't think these folks were going to allow themselves to be taken alive.
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The two brothers are dead. As is the gal who was holding hostages.
There are conflicting reports saying that a male hostage taker was killed, but that the woman (responsible for the shooting death of the female police officer yesterday) got away in the confusion as hostages escaped.
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There are conflicting reports saying that a male hostage taker was killed, but that the woman (responsible for the shooting death of the female police officer yesterday) got away in the confusion as hostages escaped.
according to French reports, the male hostage taker in the store today was suspected as being the gunman who shot the policewoman in Montrouge yesterday, and he has been killed by police (he had already said to police today "you know who i am" which seemed to confirm his involvement in yesterday's shooting... i haven't seen any more info on the woman yet though, but she was apparently his former(?) partner and accomplice... the police have issued an appeal for information on both suspects (although one is now dead)...
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I haven't heard much on the woman yet either, though the other situations were covered thoroughly on the news.

Honestly? I'm glad these guys are dead. I doubt we could learn from them as they would not be willing to teach, while in prison they could be teaching future extremists or plot escape and hurt even more people. This way at least we can be sure that these nutjobs won't cause more fatalities. Shame there are probably thousands of extremists with similar thoughts we can't protect ourselves from though.
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Shame there are probably thousands of extremists with similar thoughts we can't protect ourselves from though.
Trying to learn the reasons why they did it and how they got to that point in their lives certainly could have been very helpful in preventing future attacks, couldn't it? Can't do that now that they're dead.
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