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Old 01-07-2015, 03:57 PM   #16
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Reports are that the three gunmen, aged 18, 32, and 34 (including two brothers) have been arrested.
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I hope they got the rocket-launcher, too.
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Reports are that the three gunmen, aged 18, 32, and 34 (including two brothers) have been arrested.
No, they've just been identified and possibly located...
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deep, Charlie Hebdo satirizes everything and everyone, all politicians, all religions, but normally no-one else attempts to kill anyone over it
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no attack on my freedom at all
You aren't a fan of freedom of expression?



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on a lesser level the killers only followed the golden rule and the cartoonists did not

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Please explain what you mean by this.


i think i'd rather he didn't
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No, they've just been identified and possibly located...
Liberation was the first to report the arrests, but have since backtracked on that.
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You aren't a fan of freedom of expression?
drawing those kind of cartoons is like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater
it contributes to the harm that follows, if the people in the theater had not reacted that way no one would have been trampled.

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what is the golden rule?
One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. something like that?

these killers are true believers that want anyone killed that blasphemes The Prophet. If any member of their family or if they themselves ever did that they 100% believe they should be killed. They treat others as they would want others to threat them. They also do not disrespect other religions and expect others to do the same.

The cartoonists did not follow the Golden Rule.

They knew their actions would harm and injure others is that how they wanted to be treated?
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drawing those kind of cartoons is like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater
it contributes to the harm that follows, if the people in the theater had not reacted that way no one would have been trampled.



what is the golden rule?
One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. something like that?

these killers are true believers that want anyone killed that blasphemes The Prophet. If any member of their family or if they themselves ever did that they 100% believe they should be killed. They treat others as they would want others to threat them. They also do not disrespect other religions and expect others to do the same.

The cartoonists did not follow the Golden Rule.

They knew their actions would harm and injure others is that how they wanted to be treated?
in which country does that law apply? France is a secular country and holds freedom of expression dear (which includes the right to ridicule and be irreverent) and, above all, does not abide by the laws of Islam... if you went down THAT slippery slope, where would you draw the line?

and L.O.L. at your "They also do not disrespect other religions" comment

how about Salman Rushdie? Did he not follow your Golden Rule?

utter bollox, sorry Deep
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deep, Charlie Hebdo satirizes everything and everyone, all politicians, all religions, but normally no-one else attempts to kill anyone over it
The first thing I wrote is that I condemn the killers.

I am not a fan of any religion. There are a lot more serious problems with Islam in some countries than being able to publish highly offensive cartoons.

Defending these cartoons works against furthering more important things like education for girls, and advancing women's rights.
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in which country does that law apply? France is a secular country and holds freedom of expression dear (which includes the right to ridicule and be irreverent) and, above all, does not abide by the laws of Islam... if you went down THAT slippery slope, where would you draw the line?
I am not saying it should be outlawed, there are lots of things that are allowed but rarely done

why print demeaning images that offend people just because you can?
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you're talking about a radical minority deep...

Heads of the Muslim councils in France have strongly condemned the attack (as have many Islamic states) and an Imam in France has even gone so far as to say that the killers have not avenged the prophet Mohammed (which the attackers were claiming to do) but rather the "prophet Satan"

This is as much an attack on the Muslim communities who are living peacefully here, not just on the press...
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An absolute tragedy and a disgrace. Deeply saddening and troubling. Just getting a chance to read all about this now and it's just awful.

We should note that it's hard to talk about a story like this without addressing the rampant Islamophobia in France, and we need to remember that satire can still be racist. Freedom of speech is extremely important. But there's a responsibility we need to make sure we have when employing satire, and from what I've read Charlie Hebdo may have shirked that responsibility. Am I saying they deserved any of this? Hell fucking no. But in describing this as a tragedy, it's probably important not to jump "This is a tragedy that never should have happened" to "This is a tragedy that never should have happened, and I fully support Charlie Hebdo because they satirized everyone."
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