Explosions at the Boston Marathon - Page 54 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-07-2013, 04:42 PM   #796
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,662
Local Time: 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
I don't think that point-of-view is particularly lazy. There is a train of thought which says that the government provides for a certain amount of prosperity -- by either ruling the economy heavily via taxation, manipulation of interest rates and/or the Federal Reserve, or outright regulation, or by loosening said restrictions. It's fairly clear that the President has a government-centric approach that regulates the free-market system within limits. Those limits are very different whether you are a Republican or a Democratic President, but the limits exist. Ergo, the President is governing according to his view, that from government flows the fortunes of man. INDY clearly argues for a different view.

We can always be reductionist about "the other side," but the differences do exist and are clear. The merits of either position can be well-argued, but you can't say that they don't exist, nor that it's intellectually lazy to recognize them. Reductionist, perhaps, but not lazy. And reductionism on this board happens with alarming regularity.
Even by your definition INDY's post was lazy. No one can be honest with themselves and think that Obama believes ALL prosperity flows from government, it just doesn't reflect in his policy. All or nothing comments are intellectually lazy when it comes to debate, unfortunately it's the route INDY usually takes.
__________________

__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 07:08 PM   #797
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Strong Badia
Posts: 3,429
Local Time: 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BVS View Post
All or nothing comments are intellectually lazy when it comes to debate, unfortunately it's the route INDY usually takes.
...Only INDY?

I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just find it disingenuous to come down on one side of the discussion for being intellectually lazy, when the reality is that, in FYM, such reductionism and intellectual laziness are hallmarks of many of these debates.

Maybe we should all agree to avoid "always" and "never" phrases in the future; the world is too complicated for that.
__________________

__________________
nathan1977 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 07:34 PM   #798
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,873
Local Time: 04:51 PM
I prefer when INDY opts for a comic in which a pair of ears make a strawman argument.
__________________
PhilsFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2013, 11:59 PM   #799
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,662
Local Time: 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan1977 View Post
...Only INDY?

I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just find it disingenuous to come down on one side of the discussion for being intellectually lazy, when the reality is that, in FYM, such reductionism and intellectual laziness are hallmarks of many of these debates.

Maybe we should all agree to avoid "always" and "never" phrases in the future; the world is too complicated for that.
Absolutely, but I don't make it a point to defend those "always" and "never" comments. Someone pointed out INDY's laziness and you for some reason decided to defend it. Your response was reasonable and thought out, it was just a shame that it was in response to someone pointing out that poster's intellectual dishonesty.
__________________
BVS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 06:36 PM   #800
Refugee
 
The_Pac_Mule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 1,342
Local Time: 04:51 PM
Any thoughts on the Rolling Stone cover?
__________________
The_Pac_Mule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 06:40 PM   #801
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,873
Local Time: 04:51 PM
I can't for the life of me understand why it's controversial.
__________________
PhilsFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 07:06 PM   #802
Refugee
 
The_Pac_Mule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vermont
Posts: 1,342
Local Time: 04:51 PM
I think it was less the fact that he's on the cover of a magazine, but more that the picture they used makes him look like he was in One Direction. And that it's Rolling Stone, which cover usually features worthless celebrities and mediocre musicians. I honestly don't think its a big deal but I can see why some would be upset over it.

That being said I think they should have used this picture:

__________________
The_Pac_Mule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 08:16 PM   #803
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 01:51 PM
I knew it was a cover shot first time I saw it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deep View Post
every time I see this picture



this comes to mind

__________________
deep is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 08:17 PM   #804
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 01:51 PM
Journalism is now infotainment.

And the dying print media needs more shock value to maintain circulation levels.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 08:47 PM   #805
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nbcrusader View Post
Journalism is now infotainment.

And the dying print media needs more shock value to maintain circulation levels.
I haven't paid for a Rolling Stone magazine since I wanted to read the Zooropa review - so about 20 years ago.

Now I just read a collection of reviews online.

Rolling Stone has the right to be provocative - but consumers also have the right to boycott.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #806
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
maycocksean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Most Important State in the Union
Posts: 4,882
Local Time: 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nbcrusader View Post
Journalism is now infotainment.

And the dying print media needs more shock value to maintain circulation levels.
Truth.
__________________
maycocksean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 10:52 PM   #807
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 05:51 PM
I hear the article is actually good, and doesn't glorify him in anyway.

However, the cover photo is tasteless to me. They could've used a different pic for that. And I agree it was done out of shock value.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 11:15 PM   #808
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Standing on the shore, facing east.
Posts: 18,873
Local Time: 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Pac_Mule View Post
I think it was less the fact that he's on the cover of a magazine, but more that the picture they used makes him look like he was in One Direction. And that it's Rolling Stone, which cover usually features worthless celebrities and mediocre musicians. I honestly don't think its a big deal but I can see why some would be upset over it.

That being said I think they should have used this picture:
You mean the picture that was not released to the public until after this cover happened?

The point of the picture is that a terrorist can look like a popular kid down the block because this kid WAS a popular kid down the block. The sooner we realize terrorists don't all look the same, the better.
__________________
PhilsFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 11:26 PM   #809
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,653
Local Time: 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
You mean the picture that was not released to the public until after this cover happened?

The point of the picture is that a terrorist can look like a popular kid down the block because this kid WAS a popular kid down the block. The sooner we realize terrorists don't all look the same, the better.
Too bad many people don't have a good grasp of semantics like that. While its true Rolling Stone caters to a more intellectual crowd with their social and political articles, I still think they were deliberately looking for controversy and should've used a different pic. Maybe that blurred pic of the two brothers just before the explosions would've been a better idea.
__________________
Pearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 11:40 PM   #810
45:33
 
cobl04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 55,030
Local Time: 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
I hear the article is actually good, and doesn't glorify him in anyway.
It was. Not that the majority of people let that get in the way of their confected outrage.
__________________

__________________
cobl04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com