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Old 04-23-2013, 11:29 PM   #736
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Not to sugarcoat anything but there were plenty of disbelievers in the old caliphate(s). The majority of the population in some instances. They were taxed, rather than slain, by and large. The original Islamic conquests were a classic imperial expansion. Doesn't make it great or anything, just saying...
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:44 PM   #737
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The next logical question is "who the hell is Alex Jones"?
One of America's biggest conspiracy theorists douches.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:48 PM   #738
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Thank you. That tells me enough to know I won't bother Googling him.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:22 AM   #739
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Alex Jones went to the same high school as my girlfriend. Neat.
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He's the "false flag" guy, basically. And the Boston bombings, which he immediately called a false flag, were carried out by the very people who believe his false flag bullshit.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:03 AM   #741
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So what you're saying is, you're looking at the Bible as a whole?
You can never judge a book, or a religion one verse at a time.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:19 AM   #742
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I get that a lot of bits of the Old Testament is pretty gruesome, but not like this.
Oh really?

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26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
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12 “If you hear in one of your cities, which the Lord your God is giving you to dwell there, 13 that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, 14 then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, 15 you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction,3 all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword. 16 You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its open square and burn the city and all its spoil with fire, as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever. It shall not be built again. 17 None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers,
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10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
See? Pretty easy.
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Can we agree that both books are violent? You can't claim to have the moral authority when you must cherry pick verses to suit your version of morality.

But back to the bombers. Where has it been said they were into infowars? I'm not finding it online (just shit about infowars).

These conspiracy nuts are as dangerous as any foreign or local terrorist. When you create such paranoia and fear, you're going to see followers take dramatic actions.

Problem with religions and conspiracies is that they can always be stretched out to fit whatever is going on.

This Boston bombing was a false flag. These kids were brainwashed by the FBI to perform this and blame it on infowars so the gov could go after Alex Jones and his followers of truth. Remove these truthers and a new world order can be set up faster.

See. Prove that isn't what REALLY happened
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Can we agree that both books are violent? You can't claim to have the moral authority when you must cherry pick verses to suit your version of morality.

But back to the bombers. Where has it been said they were into infowars? I'm not finding it online (just shit about infowars).

These conspiracy nuts are as dangerous as any foreign or local terrorist. When you create such paranoia and fear, you're going to see followers take dramatic actions.

Problem with religions and conspiracies is that they can always be stretched out to fit whatever is going on.

This Boston bombing was a false flag. These kids were brainwashed by the FBI to perform this and blame it on infowars so the gov could go after Alex Jones and his followers of truth. Remove these truthers and a new world order can be set up faster.

See. Prove that isn't what REALLY happened
I never cared much for conspiracy theorists. Yes, I agree the media and government is keeping information from us, but I don't believe that the Illuminati is slowly preparing for a New World Order or some other wacky theory that doesn't add up.

I used to shrug off such conspiracies, but ever since Sandy Hook and those conspiracies that Obama was behind it and such, I am getting really annoyed with them and the people who believe them. I've been seeing on my FB feed that some friends and relatives are posting conspiracy theories, links and memes (not the funny ones, the serious ones) more, and it is not a good sign. It's the true the news media has gotten really crappy lately, but that doesn't mean there's something more sinister going on.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:30 AM   #745
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The biggest thing I ask these people is "What are you going to do about it?" I have a friend that is HUGE into these conspiracy theories, and ever since Sandy Hook I've decided to challenge her on it.

While she doesn't believe it was all staged, she does think it's "fishy". Same thing with the Colorado shooter....something fishy about him.

I always ask what has the government shown it's capable of doing without some form of fucking up? Seriously, it can't run a single program without major flaws. So you mean to tell me that this same organization can manipulate the public, carry out these extremely impossible events, and cover it all up without screwing up?

No fucking way. And our media just adds fuel to their fire by being idiotic in their reporting. When you just start throwing out rumors as reporting, then these nuts use those first false reports as evidence to their cause.

"Where was that Saudi man that was taken into custody as the first reports came out???? Did you know this Saudi man has ties to the royal family and Bin Laden? Why isn't anyone reporting on this?"

Because it's shit.

I used to think it was a small group of nuts. but apparently it's a lot larger of a network. Even these bomber's parents appear to be conspiracy nutjobs.
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Found it

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an Alex Jones fan - Salon.com
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All this Bible and Qu'ran thumping seems to be moot at this point.

Boston bombing suspect describes plot - latimes.com


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Writing answers from his hospital bed because he was shot in the throat, the 19-year-old accused bomber also said that his slain older brother, Tamerlan, was "upset" by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that anger was the motivation to plant two crude homemade bombs along the crowded race route.
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A U.S. counter-terrorism official said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev mentioned the wars "as a general justification for what he did"; a law enforcement official said he did not seem as bothered about America's role in the Muslim world.
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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has told investigators that he and his older brother planned the Boston Marathon bombings only a week or so before the race, that they were operating alone, and that they received no training or support from outside terrorist groups, officials said Tuesday.
So, maybe not all Muslims are jihadists, maybe not all Christians are Crusaders. Some Muslims and Christians are just assholes; their religion may have nothing to do with being assholes.
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So, maybe not all Muslims are jihadists, maybe not all Christians are Crusaders. Some Muslims and Christians are just assholes; their religion may have nothing to do with being assholes.
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Those infowars people have been hanging out near every live CNN shot. Screaming and yelling and holding signs. I wonder about people who get into that stuff too.

Speaking of CNN, Jon Stewart did a great bit on their coverage. Funny, but sad too. Susan Candiotti doesn't even know how to pronounce Copley, she should be kicked out for that. Let alone what she said in his bit.
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All this Bible and Qu'ran thumping seems to be moot at this point.

Boston bombing suspect describes plot - latimes.com

So, maybe not all Muslims are jihadists, maybe not all Christians are Crusaders. Some Muslims and Christians are just assholes; their religion may have nothing to do with being assholes.
I'm so glad they're so busy molesting innocent passengers that the TSA can't bother to spell a name right. Preventable. I'm not sure why more people aren't upset about this part.
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