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Old 04-23-2013, 03:25 PM   #721
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If the guy in the cowboy hat doesn't put a tourniquet on the legs of the guy who was able to ID one of the two guys, this thing could still be going.

Crazy how things happen
Yes indeed. I'm sure FBI might have had other ID help, but Jeff Bauman was still very important. I found out that he was working part time in the Costco I shop in. Costco is taking care of him financially and in any other way they can. He was trying to pay off student loans.

The man in the cowboy hat is Carlos Arredondo. Anyone who didn't already know his back story should Google it. Amazing to me that his life came full circle to that day and place.
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I have a feeling that this thing is becoming a media circus.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:14 PM   #723
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They're now reporting that Tamerlan got really into InfoWars. You can't even make this up.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:33 PM   #725
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What I'm trying to say is this, if you interpret the Bible literally, you're going to have a shitty belief system. If you interpret the Koran literally you're going to have a shitty belief system. But only the latter advocates for violence and destruction. And it's a lot easier to interpret the Koran that way than it is the Bible.
I'm guessing you haven't read either one of them front to back. It's pretty easy to find snippets taken out of context in both that call for violence. Your ability to ignore historical context of violence,the influence of socio-economic factors, and other glaring factual mistakes is pretty telling.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:02 PM   #726
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I'm guessing you haven't read either one of them front to back. It's pretty easy to find snippets taken out of context in both that call for violence. Your ability to ignore historical context of violence,the influence of socio-economic factors, and other glaring factual mistakes is pretty telling.
I'll admit to having not read every page of the Bible, but, in the New Testament at least, where do you see a call to violence? Honest question. Since reading your post, I've been doing some research online and I can't find anything convincing.
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They're now reporting that Tamerlan got really into InfoWars. You can't even make this up.
At the risk of showing my age, what is InfoWars?
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:45 PM   #728
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i didn't want to be the first to ask
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Why are you asking questions? You're on the internet!!!

Infowars is Alex Jones' crackpot website
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:45 PM   #730
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Who knows. Of course white hat is going to throw older brother under the bus now, and he has literally (well Benz SUV) and figuratively. Apparently. Maybe white hat was just better at fooling people and living a double life. All of his friends and classmates talk about what a great guy they thought he was. And those who thought it might be him in the photos-nah, couldn't be. No way. No one called about the photos.

No martyrdom behavior evident, until things started closing in on them and they were going to use up what bombs and ammo they had left.
I'm not defending the lil one. I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying he's even more disgusting of a person.

They're sick, the both of them. One of them was a lunatic though. The other... seemingly perfectly sane. Makes him the most vile, despicable kind of person.

I don't think they planned on getting away with it. Nobody can be that stupid to do what they did. I think they were just waiting for people to catch on before they struck again.
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I'll admit to having not read every page of the Bible, but, in the New Testament at least, where do you see a call to violence? Honest question. Since reading your post, I've been doing some research online and I can't find anything convincing.
This is kinda my point. You know the story of the Bible, you know that the OT and NT are very different, and that has everything to do with context. But the OT has quite a few verses that when taken out of context sound like calls to violence. Also different versions were much more violent in their interpretation than others. We actually had a thread in here years ago, I think started by A_Wanderer that dealt with this, it was pretty interesting reading some of the different versions out of context.
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I'm guessing you haven't read either one of them front to back. It's pretty easy to find snippets taken out of context in both that call for violence. Your ability to ignore historical context of violence,the influence of socio-economic factors, and other glaring factual mistakes is pretty telling.
Actually let me put the quote from the Koran I posted earlier into context.

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Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Mohammed said this after him and his people had left Mecca and settled in Medina. I've heard the "defensive warfare" argument, but that doesn't really make sense. So Mohammed is saying to go and slaughter the people of Mecca, which they later did. Okay, so cool. I get that they were kicked out, and they had the divine right to be there so they should be able to go back and kill the shit out of everyone, thats somewhat understandable. But fight until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah? So when do you put down your arms? Until every last infidel is dead?

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Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Love thy enemy doesn't apply here

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Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I get that a lot of bits of the Old Testament is pretty gruesome, but not like this.

Can someone please put these quotes into context for me and tell me why if I was a Muslim I shouldn't be doing these things Mohammed is calling for me to do?
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This is kinda my point. You know the story of the Bible, you know that the OT and NT are very different, and that has everything to do with context. But the OT has quite a few verses that when taken out of context sound like calls to violence. Also different versions were much more violent in their interpretation than others. We actually had a thread in here years ago, I think started by A_Wanderer that dealt with this, it was pretty interesting reading some of the different versions out of context.
So what you're saying is, you're looking at the Bible as a whole?
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At the risk of showing my age, what is InfoWars?
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Infowars is Alex Jones' crackpot website
The next logical question is "who the hell is Alex Jones"?
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He was behind Loose change, the 9/11 conspiracy theorist "documentary." And he basically believes the governments behind everything, from Sandy Hook to the Oklahoma City bombings. I would probably assume he's saying the Texas fertilizer plant explosion was the government too. He's a giant insane douche-tard who rants about the "New World Order." Oh and that we faked the moon landing.
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