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Old 02-23-2012, 08:44 AM   #196
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Friggin' Cobbler. Why did Kobe use that word? Why not call the referee an idiot, or something along those lines? I think you need to ask yourself that before making comments like that.
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I realize how idiotic this sounds, but I feel like when someone says 'fag', it isn't necessarily meant as a homophobic slur; it's meant more like jerk or ass. But when someone says 'faggot', it's meant the other way


i can use fag and so can my gay friends so long as we are amongst other gays, but if a straight person uses fag, i'm punching them in the nose. and i'd never use it in front of the straights. it is weird how that works.

and the idea of young white Australian men calling each other "nigga" is just ... well, i know how you mean it and i guess that's the beauty, in a way, of capitalism.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:14 AM   #198
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i can use fag and so can my gay friends so long as we are amongst other gays, but if a straight person uses fag, i'm punching them in the nose. and i'd never use it in front of the straights. it is weird how that works.
And that's completely reasonable. Im just addressing intent, but punch away
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I just don't think in the heat of that moment Kobe's thought process was "that ref just fouled me. He looks like a homosexual. I bet that's why he called it. What a faggot". I think he blurted the first word that came to his mind. Replay that situation and he might have said idiot. Lord knows I've said things without thinking I've immediately regretted.

I could certainly be wrong though.

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I guess that's a little better.... I guess.... but still, would you say it if there was a black man in the room?
Well if we were rapping hip-hop songs, I guess. Tens of thousands of white people shouted nigga at Kanye's gig.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:12 PM   #200
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I just don't think in the heat of that moment Kobe's thought process was "that ref just fouled me. He looks like a homosexual. I bet that's why he called it. What a faggot". I think he blurted the first word that came to his mind. Replay that situation and he might have said idiot. Lord knows I've said things without thinking I've immediately regretted.

I could certainly be wrong though.

Or that is his go-to response when frustrated or pissed at someone is to call them that.
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That's kinda fucked up, dude. Even putting aside any offensiveness or whatever, there are few things more pathetic than a bunch of skinny white kids running around calling each other nigga. -5 points for Friggin Cobbler
If it were a bunch of fat white kids, it would be funny though.
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I just don't think in the heat of that moment Kobe's thought process was "that ref just fouled me. He looks like a homosexual. I bet that's why he called it. What a faggot". I think he blurted the first word that came to his mind. Replay that situation and he might have said idiot.


this is exactly the problem, though.
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I think he blurted the first word that came to his mind.
But why is this the first thing that came to his mind, and why does he think it's a cut down?
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I think I'll just quit while I'm behind.
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I realize how idiotic this sounds, but I feel like when someone says 'fag', it isn't necessarily meant as a homophobic slur; it's meant more like jerk or ass. But when someone says 'faggot', it's meant the other way
I understand what you mean in the sense that if we were sitting around having a discussion about slurs, I'd find 'faggot' harder to force out than 'fag,' because I associate the former much more strongly with virulent homophobes. (I assume they favor it because it's a more aggressive-sounding word, there's something almost like a glottal stop in there, but I really don't know the history of that.) But ultimately the problem is that a term meaning 'homosexual man' (and associated with violence) is being used as an insult at all, regardless of which aspect of the person's character is consciously being deprecated. For similar reasons I'd feel uncomfortable around a group of men who were calling each other 'cunt,' even though (since that usage is pretty rare in the US) I can't claim to know what exactly it typically means in the mind of a man using it that way.
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no, no -- don't worry. i'm not mad or upset and you haven't done anything wrong. what i'm saying is that it's a broader problem when we are searching for a word that means dumb or stupid and have nothing to do with homosexuality and our brains arrive at a homophobic slur.
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also, i read the ESPN guy's apology today, and i guess i was a little harsh at first. he does seem really contrite and enormously embarrassed.
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no, no -- don't worry. i'm not mad or upset and you haven't done anything wrong. what i'm saying is that it's a broader problem when we are searching for a word that means dumb or stupid and have nothing to do with homosexuality and our brains arrive at a homophobic slur.
i've always wondered why fantastic words like dumbass, idiot, and the like don't get used more. equally as effective and more fun to say.

i usually say fucking before any of them as well, so it has extra impact.
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no, no -- don't worry. i'm not mad or upset and you haven't done anything wrong. what i'm saying is that it's a broader problem when we are searching for a word that means dumb or stupid and have nothing to do with homosexuality and our brains arrive at a homophobic slur.
This I completely agree with.
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Well if we were rapping hip-hop songs, I guess. Tens of thousands of white people shouted nigga at Kanye's gig.
Oh, those wacky whites
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