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Old 02-21-2012, 08:43 PM   #136
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I don't associate "cunt" with violence so much as slovenly soccer hooligans I wouldn't want to emulate. It's a word I never, ever say.

For the record, I would absolutely fire the editor responsible for the "chink" comment. It's funny as hell, to me, but coming from a journalistic background I can't deny how irresponsible it was for him to let that through. It's not so much a sign of racial insensitivity as it is incompetence.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:44 PM   #137
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"bitch," however, seems to have been totally de-genderized. i think now it can refer to a man as well as a woman.
I've never bought into the offensiveness for genderizing of swear words. When was the last time a woman was called a dickhead? Or even an asshole? We have separate words for men in women in every other aspect of life. Expletives should be no different
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:46 PM   #138
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First off, thank you for looking all that shit up, no i didnt read/watch your links. I dont care to. I clearly stated that i quit watching ESPN, that includes online, and this was after the super bowl. I dont watch late night tv like Leno/Letterman or whatever because im usually already in bed. I go to work at 4am most mornings, so i get up early and i go to bed early. When im at work i dont surf the Internet, im too busy doing my job. I have many interests outside of sports...typically i give it a break until the basketball playoffs (thunder) heat up and then im back in it...but the regular season NCAA and NFL take a lot out of me. Feb - Apr is the time frame i usually do a lot of work around the house, etc.

Now, to the topic at hand, first off i apologize if i seemed angry yesterday. In fact this does piss me off, but my apologies if that seemed to be directed to anyone here, including you. That said, it works both ways, there can be some pretty sarcastic to downright rude people here when things get heated. But i will be the first to say "im sorry". And then im going to utilize the ignore list.

So why does this piss me off? Because there are a lot of really fucked up things going on in the world today. Violence in Syria, Egypt, tensions in Iran, Israel, North Korea, and those are just the headlines (that i pay attention to). How about at home...gas is $4 per gallon in FEBRUARY (wait till Memorial Day!), unemployment still above 8% nationally, protesters in every city, etc. etc. etc.

Once in a while a good story comes through like the guy named Lin, sleeping on a couch one week and the next week he has a sudden meteoric rise to fame. Yes I've caught that much on the nightly news. SO ESPN fucks up, on purpose, not on purpose, whatever...i dont know. Im not even going to argue one way or the other, it happened. Lets leave it at that. Is this the worst thing going on in the world today? No. Does it really deserve all of this outrage and attention? No. People are getting blown up all over the world...and select people are more concerned about if the Chinese guy was offended by those remarks. If nothing else...these were my points.

Making such an issue over Lin (yes, im now guilty of doing the same thing) is akin to Rick Santorum wanting to have a national discussion about abortion, birth control, & religion INSTEAD of the ECONOMY, FOREIGN POLICY, etc. Does this make more sense now? If not, please read no further...

I assure you that im not putting on any act, whatever you want to call it. I do care about the troops, wherever they are. Im more concerned about them getting blown up and not having the proper equipment, rations, rules of engagement, command support, exit strategy, etc....much more concerned about this than what some ESPN headline was or is. I might not be active duty any longer but my heart is still out there. If you can't understand that and where im coming from then im done here.

This country cares more about their "pop culture" and keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever than it does our own troops. We shower these "celebs" with money and fame and worship, while the REAL HEROES are the ones who would take a bullet to protect their families, freedom, or walk into a burning building to save a baby or puppy, or chase down a criminal with a loaded gun into a dark alley. These people are heroes. They are superstars in my book. They dont make millions of dollars, they dont have reality shows or do interviews with networks and have their names on the back of jerseys. They dont ask for much in return for what they do. I guess that's why most people take them for granted and move on, because those people aren't going to OD the night before the Grammies and they aren't going to get married for 72 hours just to see how many new followers they can get on twitter. THEY JUST DO THEIR JOB.

Again, im sorry if im being a little bit too "touchy" with my angry man stuff. One more thing, next time the number 1 automaker in the world decides to give a $75k car to the super bowl MPV (who had a great game btw), i wish they would think twice about it and give it to some young soldier who's saved someones life overseas, or maybe give it to the widow of someone who didn't make it home, or maybe someone else who's really made a difference in saving lives and not just a paid athlete who won a game. That's the direction id like to see this country go in, recognizing whats real and whats entertainment. Im not against wealth or success by any means for anyone, but we've got to have our priorities.
Your heart is in the right place on a lot of these issues, but at the end of the day, there's a reason people follow this stuff. Why do you follow football? For many of the same reasons people follow other aspects of pop culture. It's good for people to have something to pay attention to that isn't so fucking miserable all the time. If everyone just constantly thought about all the fucked up shit, we'd all go insane. The trick, of course, is figuring out how to balance your time. You seem to have a pretty good feel for how to balance yours out. Many others have too.

Ultimately, my point is this: you could brush off almost any issue as less serious than people getting killed overseas. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about other things.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:47 PM   #139
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and, for me, "cunt" is probably the 2nd most offensive and evocative of violence.
See, I barely ever even hear that word to begin with, so I had no idea how strongly people felt about it. It wasn't until I saw some thing on TV once discussing the word where I found out just how offensive it is to women. But I don't know anything about its origin or whatever. I feel like I probably should, though.

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"bitch," however, seems to have been totally de-genderized. i think now it can refer to a man as well as a woman.
It depends on the context for me. If it's used to describe a woman who's simply daring to speak her mind and go for something (be "aggressive"), and it's meant as a slam on her behaving like that, it's insulting.

But if it's being used to describe a woman who is truly actually being a rude, cruel person, abusive to people around her and whatnot, then I must confess I'm likely to think/find it an appropriate description.

Honestly, though, I hardly ever use that word myself, and when I do, I prefer something like "Bee-yotch" instead, 'cause it's less offensive in that case and it just sounds funnier. I swear a lot more online than I do offline, honestly.
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I've never bought into the offensiveness for genderizing of swear words. When was the last time a woman was called a dickhead? Or even an asshole? We have separate words for men in women in every other aspect of life. Expletives should be no different
It's happening more frequently with people my age. At first, it's girls being ironic or something. Then they actually seriously call each other "asshole" in the same way men do.
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I've been trying to switch from using "bitch" and "dick" to "asshole" when feeling the urge to swear about a woman.

There's something really satisfying about calling a woman an "asshole."

 
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:51 PM   #142
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It's happening more frequently with people my age. At first, it's girls being ironic or something. Then they actually seriously call each other "asshole" in the same way men do.
Well that sounds delightful to me. Seriously. Like the first time i heard a man call another man a bitch. I actually remember that

But some people get all uppity about the fact that there are certain words that refer only to women. I don't get it
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:51 PM   #143
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Oh, I totally get that, man. But if it didn't exist as a word, the violence would still exist. I understand the sensitivity, I just think it would be more worthwhile to take the gunpowder out of it and give them one less putdown (which is getting away a bit from my original point about 'n word' on tv, but anyway... and putdown not being nearly a strong enough word).

I have to admit though, it's the only word I know that doesn't roll off my tongue easily. Any other word it the world? No problem. It's not that I'm running around yelling racial slurs all over the place, but in conversation about racial slurs, it's the only one that I can't say comfortably (But I still will out of principle), so the political correctness has even eaten through my ear canal and nested somewhere in my brain, if even just a little bit
I don't think that's political correctness, though, man. I think that's just your human decency.

I understand your argument about reducing the power of the word BTW. To be honest, I don't think I've made up my mind about that. I can see both sides.
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I really had no idea that "asshole" was a genderized insult. I thought we all had those.
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I never thought of "asshole" as a gendered insult; I think it's more that "bitch" was just always the default curse word to direct toward a female. Now, as our knowledge of worldly things expands, we realize that "asshole" can easily apply to everyone.

Even babies!
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I've been trying to switch from using "bitch" and "dick" to "asshole" when feeling the urge to swear about a woman.

There's something really satisfying about calling a woman an "asshole."

 
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It's the novelty of it and you know they weren't expecting it And it's probably refreshing for you
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Well, let's face it - I don't call anyone assholes to their faces, usually in response to some politician or celebrity who's done or said something incredibly assholish. That's the only time I swear at someone, really. (Although I have had people yelling at me on the phone at work and had some choice words to mutter about them after hanging up.)

So I don't ever get to know if they expect it or not. I guess it could be more satisfying.

Who wants to volunteer to be my first real-life curse-out?

(Although now you'll be expecting it, so forget it.)
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I've really been hitting "shithead" heavily lately when it comes to the insults. Before that it was just "ass" as opposed to jackass or asshole.
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See, dudes calling other dudes "bitch" just makes sense to me. It's like calling someone a pansy, but more aggressively so.

The idea of calling a baby an asshole for, say, shitting themselves makes a lot of sense.

This is a great conversation. We're really freeing our minds of the constraints of good taste here.
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