In wonder if he'll start painting pictures of horribly disfigured 19-year old troops, dead Iraqis, water boarding procedures, and maimed Afghani children.
Jesus, give it a fucking break already.
Jesus, are you fucking kidding me?
Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be in jail for war crimes on the basis of torture alone. Because some stupid manchild does some shitty paintings somehow the nightmare of 2001-2009 should be forgotten let alone forgiven?
We can never forget for forgive what that group did to the country and the world.
Jesus, no im not.
Is this thread about Bush's paintings or your personal feelings about him?
Um, both? This is a discussion forum.
In wonder if he'll start painting pictures of horribly disfigured 19-year old troops, dead Iraqis, water boarding procedures, and maimed Afghani children.
What's with the right's almost perverse obsession with Putin??
oh, wow, zing! you brought up Obama! you think i only care about one issue!
listen, chief, when you take planes in and out of DC often, say at DCA or BWI, you see a lot of soldiers getting on and off planes who are horribly disfigured (i saw three burn victims getting of an AA flight from Dallas this past weekend) and are going through DC for some reason. when you work a mile from Walter Reed, and have since 2003, you've seen a lot of soldiers with missing limbs at Pot Belly in downtown Silver Spring. it's pretty raw for me. it has been for a long time. or perhaps a friend of yours is a masseuse and he volunteers at Water Reed and tells you about doing massage on a 25 year old who has no arms and no legs, they were all blown off by an IED.
perhaps because the Army is voluntary you think that makes them cannon fodder. i don't.
i will remind you that Afghanistan and Iraq were wars of choice begun by the Bush administration, and Iraq in particular, showed the willful manipulation of intelligence and the exploitation of 3,000 deaths in order to justify an invasion of a country that posed no direct threat to us and resulted in the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis, over 4,000 Americans, and ruined the lives of thousands and thousands more.
Im going to disagree that Afghanistan was a war of choice. I don't even know where you are going with that and probably do not even care. Iraq is clearly a different story. I hope you remember Hillary's Iraq vote in 2016 when she is the Dem nominee though...or her words from 2002 or even the actions of her husband regarding Saddam and the policy of regime change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrI21UytBhw
I know, I know, the NIE was flawed, wasn't it? Maybe Sen Clinton should have put aside her political aspirations then (along with many others from both parties) and not given the Bush administration carte blanche to go into Iraq and remove Saddam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8
As one of my gay friends told me recently, he would definitely be voting for Hillary in 2016 because he likes a woman president who has balls.
Can't argue with that shit right there!
Go HILLARY!
i greatly respect and appreciate your service, which is why i lose my mind when i think of people in Washington -- who themselves will never, and have never, face(d) actual physical danger -- misusing the troops in contentious wars of choice.
Hillary's Iraq vote is going to come back and haunt her, or at least she'll have to answer for it. i think she'll survive. i also think she'd be president today had she voted against the war in 2002, and we'd be excited about the upcoming campaign of VP Obama.
i did not vote for Hillary in 2008, and i actively supported Obama. the Iraq vote was a big part of that decision. we'll see who the candidates are in 2016, but i am fairly certain that the GOP is incapable of putting up someone who would ever get my vote -- and i'd consider myself capable of being persuaded by Christie.
i agree, Afghanistan is a much more complex issue than Iraq. i didn't see much else of an option in late 2001 than what was done, though i think the build up to the Iraq war detracted from the Afghanistan mission.
I must tell you though I am in fact a disabled veteran. I would never ever think of my fellow soldiers as cannon fodder. However we did all take an oath to enlist knowing we could die for our country, as asinine as that may seem, we did volunteer knowing what could happen. Granted I am one of the lucky ones compared to what you have spoken of...but still if I had to do it all over again...I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.
I am a disabled vet as well. I've lost friends. And my blood boils whenever I see people use us to bash Bush and Obama.
We knew what we were doing, we knew what we signed up for.
And I have much respect for what George W. Bush does for us veterans. And so does just about everyone I've ever met in the military. He's always working with Wounded Warrior and is advocating against the stigma attached to PTSD. There hasn't been any other president that has done more for GWOT veterans than he has. Bush genuinely cares about veterans.
I am a disabled vet as well. I've lost friends. And my blood boils whenever I see people use us to bash Bush and Obama.
We knew what we were doing, we knew what we signed up for.
And I have much respect for what George W. Bush does for us veterans. And so does just about everyone I've ever met in the military. He's always working with Wounded Warrior and is advocating against the stigma attached to PTSD. There hasn't been any other president that has done more for GWOT veterans than he has. Bush genuinely cares about veterans.