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Old 05-01-2010, 12:45 PM   #1
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Drill, baby, drill!!

This may be the single largest ecological disaster in U.S. history. Unprecedented and absolutely disastrous.

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But with the oil making landfall in Louisiana — and set to reach the Mississippi, Alabama and Florida coasts by Monday — the impact is already being felt. Louisiana fishermen in Venice docked their boats this afternoon, knowing waters could be closed for a long, long time. Lawsuits have already been filed by seafood companies against BP and Transocean, the rig's operator. Analysts estimate that the Louisiana fishing industry could sustain $2.5 billion in losses, while Florida could lose $3 billion in tourism income.

BP CEO Tony Hayward said in an interview with Reuters that the company would compensate those affected by the spill, but the cost could be $8 billion or more — and the company's stock price has already dipped 12%. And the cost to the Gulf's ecosystems could be unimaginable. "Our thirst for fossil fuel means we've been playing Russian roulette with our environment," said Ken Rosenberg, director of conservation science at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. "The gun just went off."

In response, President Barack Obama put a freeze on new offshore-drilling leases until a review of the accident could be carried out. But he declined to back away from the pursuit of offshore drilling. "I continue to believe that domestic oil production is an important part of our overall strategy for energy security," Obama said on Friday. He went on to remind reporters that BP was ultimately responsible for paying for the cleanup but that "we are fully prepared to meet our responsibilities to any and all affected communities." As the accident goes from a spill to something far worse, it may be BP paying the check, but ultimately the buck will stop in the White House, and Obama will be judged.
The rest is here.

Offshore drilling is not and has never been a viable solution for anything.



Maybe Bill Maher put it best when he said:

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"Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill Baby Drill' should have to report to the Gulf Coast today for cleanup duty."
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:50 PM   #2
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This whole thing makes my stomach hurt even thinking about it.
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:10 PM   #4
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^ As someone who lives near the gulf coast of Florida, I second your

Summer at the beach should be great this year
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Old 05-01-2010, 09:39 PM   #5
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Having just gone fishing off the coast of Louisiana last summer and given that several lives were lost, yes, this is a terrible thing. But I hope everyone will keep it in perspective.
1) This is the first accident of any significance in 40 years.
2) Offshore oil will get drilled. If not by us then by another, less safety conscience country. Would we rather those jobs go to foreign workers, the profits go to a treasury other than ours?
3) Wind turbines aren't exactly bird friendly.
4) We overreacted badly after 3 Mile island. We've paid dearly for that mistake so let's not repeat that.
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Having just gone fishing off the coast of Louisiana last summer and given that several lives were lost, yes, this is a terrible thing. But I hope everyone will keep it in perspective.
1) This is the first accident of any significance in 40 years.
2) Offshore oil will get drilled. If not by us then by another, less safety conscience country. Would we rather those jobs go to foreign workers, the profits go to a treasury other than ours?
3) Wind turbines aren't exactly bird friendly.
4) We overreacted badly after 3 Mile island. We've paid dearly for that mistake so let's not repeat that.


I agree.


Oil is organic. It comes from the earth.
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Oil is organic. It comes from the earth.
i'm lost for words.
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Oil is organic. It comes from the earth.
Can I ask what that has to do with ... anything?
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:15 PM   #9
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Can I ask what that has to do with ... anything?
For one, the ocean floor naturally seeps oil. Rarely in one shot like this but it does. And the Icelandic volcano is a reminder that nature still messes with the ecology far more than man.

Drilling for oil here is still safer for our shoreline than drilling somewhere else and shipping it here.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:17 PM   #10
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i'm lost for words.

Here are some words I hope will help:


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noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon.
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characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms: organic remains found in rocks.
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of or pertaining to an organ or the organs of an animal, plant, or fungus.
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of, pertaining to, or affecting living tissue: organic pathology.
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Psychology. caused by neurochemical, neuroendocrinologic, structural, or other physical impairment or change: organic disorder. Compare functional (def. 5).
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Philosophy. having an organization similar in its complexity to that of living things.
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characterized by the systematic arrangement of parts; organized; systematic: elements fitting together into a unified, organic whole.
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of or pertaining to the basic constitution or structure of a thing; constitutional; structural: The flaws in your writing are too organic to be easily remedied.
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developing in a manner analogous to the natural growth and evolution characteristic of living organisms; arising as a natural outgrowth.
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viewing or explaining something as having a growth and development analogous to that of living organisms: an organic theory of history.
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pertaining to, involving, or grown with fertilizers or pesticides of animal or vegetable origin, as distinguished from manufactured chemicals: organic farming; organic fruits.
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Law. of or pertaining to the constitutional or essential law or laws of organizing the government of a state.
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Architecture. noting or pertaining to any work of architecture regarded as analogous to plant or animal forms in having a structure and a plan that fulfill perfectly the functional requirements for the building and that form in themselves an intellectually lucid, integrated whole.
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For one, the ocean floor naturally seeps oil. Rarely in one shot like this but it does. And the Icelandic volcano is a reminder that nature still messes with the ecology far more than man.

Drilling for oil here is still safer for our shoreline than drilling somewhere else and shipping it here.
I question the impact of the icelandic volcano on the environment compared to a crude oil spill.
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3) Wind turbines aren't exactly bird friendly.
This is such bullshit.

Shiny skyscraper windows cause more birds to fly into them than wind turbines.

Anyone know the tally of bird eggs harmed by mercury from burning coal?

I'll take wind turbines. Please skip the coal industry talking points.
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Drilling for oil here is still safer for our shoreline than drilling somewhere else and shipping it here.
This I agree with. But, just because it's there doesn't mean we have to drill for it.

Leave it in the ground, increase natural gas use and let's transition to a hydrogen economy where wind and solar are dominant.

The crap about how difficult constructing a hydrogen infrastructure will be could have been used about the automotive/oil industry from the 1930s through the 1950's.
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For one, the ocean floor naturally seeps oil. Rarely in one shot like this but it does. And the Icelandic volcano is a reminder that nature still messes with the ecology far more than man.

Drilling for oil here is still safer for our shoreline than drilling somewhere else and shipping it here.
I just mean the whole "it comes from the earth" comment. I don't understand what that has to do with this discussion.
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I just mean the whole "it comes from the earth" comment. I don't understand what that has to do with this discussion.


Jesus put it there so Americans could drive their SUVs to Outback.
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