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Old 06-02-2010, 01:55 PM   #121
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So Moonlit and Irvine, just to get this straight, you are satisfied with the way the Administration has handled this so far? You're happy that the Gov't allowed BP to underestimate the sheer volume of oil pouring into the Gulf? You guys were happy that although BP claimed that all of this will have a small impact on the marine life and that NOAA (another obviously bought off Gov't Admin.) defended these claims? And happy when the Parish Leaders on the ground in LA were begging to be allowed to construct "sand berms (sic?)" to deflect the oil from getting into the fragile wetlands which at this point Obama is "considering" but we all know it's too late because the oil is there? You guys are good with all of this? Then you REALLY must have been ecstatic with the prior failed administration.

i think you're really mad about how powerless the government is to regulate the oil companies. because that's much more the issue here rather than specific steps the federal government could have taken.

for that, you can thank Mr. Cheney.

i'm not good with any of this. but to pretend that Obama could have stopped the oil is like getting mad at your parents because it's raining.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:11 PM   #122
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So Moonlit and Irvine, just to get this straight, you are satisfied with the way the Administration has handled this so far? You're happy that the Gov't allowed BP to underestimate the sheer volume of oil pouring into the Gulf? You guys were happy that although BP claimed that all of this will have a small impact on the marine life and that NOAA (another obviously bought off Gov't Admin.) defended these claims? And happy when the Parish Leaders on the ground in LA were begging to be allowed to construct "sand berms (sic?)" to deflect the oil from getting into the fragile wetlands which at this point Obama is "considering" but we all know it's too late because the oil is there? You guys are good with all of this? Then you REALLY must have been ecstatic with the prior failed administration.
Errrrrrr...no. BP was allowed to do what they did because of lack of proper regulations, which was the fault of the previous administration. Obama could come in and demand all sorts of regulations he wants, but try getting Congress to agree on making new laws regarding that. You've seen how brilliantly they've handled so many other massive issues of late. Not to mention, the endless moronic stream of cries of "Socialist!" or "Communist!" or whatever that would put more of a road block into getting anything done.

Irvine hit the nail on the head, the oil companies are WAY too powerful, unfortunately. It'd take a miracle to knock their power down a few notches. Believe me, this whole thing pisses me off, too, but I'm mad at BP and the idiots who decided, "Regulations? We don't need no stinkin' regulations!" I certainly want Obama to do everything within his scope of power to help with this crisis, definitely, and hope he is trying every solution imaginable, but it seems this mess is really beyond ANYONE'S control now. And I think this was likely to happen whether we had Obama in the White House or not.

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Old 06-02-2010, 03:27 PM   #123
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Errrrrrr...no. BP was allowed to do what they did because of lack of proper regulations, which was the fault of the previous administration. Obama could come in and demand all sorts of regulations he wants, but try getting Congress to agree on making new laws regarding that. You've seen how brilliantly they've handled so many other massive issues of late. Not to mention, the endless moronic stream of cries of "Socialist!" or "Communist!" or whatever that would put more of a road block into getting anything done.

Irvine hit the nail on the head, the oil companies are WAY too powerful, unfortunately. It'd take a miracle to knock their power down a few notches. Believe me, this whole thing pisses me off, too, but I'm mad at BP and the idiots who decided, "Regulations? We don't need no stinkin' regulations!" I certainly want Obama to do everything within his scope of power to help with this crisis, definitely, and hope he is trying every solution imaginable, but it seems this mess is really beyond ANYONE'S control now. And I think this was likely to happen whether we had Obama in the White House or not.

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Really? I'm still waiting for the answer of my original question, are you satisfied with the Administration's response to all of this? Hey if your happy that's great! And to suggest that I believe Obama could have done anything to actually stop this is unfounded, look back at my original Post, no where did I even suggest that. I do disagree with the way he has handled this. Just my $.02.

Irvine is exactly right that I actually hate that Corporate America runs the show - they wield way too much power. The problem I stated is that going back to the beginning of this decade we have a leadership vacuum and it continues with this President. We are not electing true "Leaders" and it scares me to think that after all of this we may have a Sarah Palin or Rand Paul to deal with.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:44 PM   #124
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Really? I'm still waiting for the answer of my original question, are you satisfied with the Administration's response to all of this? Hey if your happy that's great! And to suggest that I believe Obama could have done anything to actually stop this is unfounded, look back at my original Post, no where did I even suggest that. I do disagree with the way he has handled this. Just my $.02.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know. I mentioned the people I know for sure I am mad at. I'd like to think Obama is trying to work something out, so I guess if I had to answer, I'd say I still remain hopeful that they'll be able to step in and do something. I'm not happy with Congress, I'm DEFINITELY not happy with BP, but I just can't really get mad at Obama yet. I dunno. Again, if someone could explain what exactly it is they want Obama himself to DO, that would help. I don't know what he really can do anymore. I suppose he could've tried to regulate the oil companies sooner...but no, wait, we had to get health care done first. And immigration. And end the wars overseas. And so on and so on. Keep in mind, he's got, like, 50,000 messes he has to clean up right now.

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Irvine is exactly right that I actually hate that Corporate America runs the show - they wield way too much power. The problem I stated is that going back to the beginning of this decade we have a leadership vacuum and it continues with this President. We are not electing true "Leaders" and it scares me to think that after all of this we may have a Sarah Palin or Rand Paul to deal with.
Those are indeed terrifying thoughts, I fully agree with you there. But as for the leadership stuff, well, keep in mind, you can lead the charge all you want, you still have to have people willing to get behind what you want to do. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening much right now.

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Old 06-02-2010, 06:21 PM   #125
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BP CEO Tony Hayward blasted out a statement Wednesday in which he apologized for complaining over the weekend, "I'd like my life back."

Hayward said in Wednesday's statement that he was "appalled" to read his own statement, and singled out for apology the families of the 11 rig workers who died in the Deepwater Horizon explosion. The full statement appears below:

I made a hurtful and thoughtless comment on Sunday when I said that "I wanted my life back." When I read that recently, I was appalled. I apologize, especially to the families of the 11 men who lost their lives in this tragic accident. Those words don't represent how I feel about this tragedy, and certainly don't represent the hearts of the people of BP -- many of whom live and work in the Gulf -- who are doing everything they can to make things right. My first priority is doing all we can to restore the lives of the people of the Gulf region and their families -- to restore their lives, not mine.


YouTube - BP CEO Tony Hayward: 'I'd Like My Life Back'
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Gee, yeah, ya think that was a pretty freakin' stupid thing to say there, Tony Hayward? Sheesh. When did people decide not to think before they opened their mouths?

By the way, YBORCITYOBL, I will grant you this: I was catching last night's "Daily Show" episode online, and Jon Stewart was going back and forth between clips of Obama talking about how important this problem was to him and clips of him attending basketball things and appreciation group things, and he definitely had a point there. I can't argue with him on that.

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Old 06-03-2010, 08:11 AM   #127
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Gee, yeah, ya think that was a pretty freakin' stupid thing to say there, Tony Hayward? Sheesh. When did people decide not to think before they opened their mouths?

By the way, YBORCITYOBL, I will grant you this: I was catching last night's "Daily Show" episode online, and Jon Stewart was going back and forth between clips of Obama talking about how important this problem was to him and clips of him attending basketball things and appreciation group things, and he definitely had a point there. I can't argue with him on that.

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Thanks for that Angela. I should have elaborated a bit more about the Leadership comment. I'm in that role of "Buck Stops Here", and all of the training, lectures and theories I've had to study over the years there are times when you must take decisive action. For example, weeks ago when Obama's administration was presented with the idea of building dunes off of the shore to deflect any oil coming into the fragile wetlands the ACoE discounted these ideas and the EPA wasn't going to allow this process. Now they are deciding it might be a great idea and the problem is now that the oil has already entered these areas - it's too late. Decisive Action especially when we have so much to lose.
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Tony Hayward + Jim Joyce, the umpire who blew the call and ruined a perfect game last night=worst persons of the week
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Well Jim Joyce was just wiping away tears when Galarraga brought out the line up card. Jim Joyce pwns Tony Hayward. Now he's the best person of the week, I take that back. Galarraga too, he's so sweet and he never stops smiling. Sad that a situation like that was handled much better by the people involved than a catastrophic oil gusher was and still is. Jim Joyce admitted his mistake and went back out there today to face it all when MLB gave him the option not to. Tony Hayward just wants his life back-boo hoo.
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I don't follow baseball, so no comment on that one . But I'll wholeheartedly agree with the nomination for Mr. Hayward.

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Thanks for that Angela. I should have elaborated a bit more about the Leadership comment. I'm in that role of "Buck Stops Here", and all of the training, lectures and theories I've had to study over the years there are times when you must take decisive action. For example, weeks ago when Obama's administration was presented with the idea of building dunes off of the shore to deflect any oil coming into the fragile wetlands the ACoE discounted these ideas and the EPA wasn't going to allow this process. Now they are deciding it might be a great idea and the problem is now that the oil has already entered these areas - it's too late. Decisive Action especially when we have so much to lose.
*Nods* Oh, yeah, hey, I totally understand your point. There are definitely measures that could've been taken preemptively to deal with this problem a little more. What the reason was for not doing them, I'm not sure. But I just think no matter what anyone did, this whole thing was a disaster in the making and it'll eventually be beyond anyone's control at all. Which is sad. The whole thing's just frustrating as hell, and I definitely don't blame you for your anger .

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First he loses the Oscar to his ex, now this. That's ok Jim, your heart will go on. He knows people too, 3 reallies smart people.

PALOS VERDES, Calif (Reuters) – Film director and deep-sea explorer James Cameron said on Wednesday that BP Plc turned down his offer to help combat the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

"Over the last few weeks I've watched, as we all have, with growing horror and heartache, watching what's happening in the Gulf and thinking those morons don't know what they're doing," Cameron said at the All Things Digital technology conference.

Cameron, the director of "Avatar" and "Titanic," has worked extensively with robot submarines and is considered an expert in undersea filming. He did not say explicitly who he meant when he referred to "those morons."

His comments came a day after he participated in a meeting at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency headquarters in Washington to "brainstorm" solutions to the oil spill.

Cameron said he has offered to help the government and BP in dealing with the spill. He said he was "graciously" turned away by the British energy giant.

He said he has not spoken with the White House about his offer, and said that the outside experts who took part in the EPA meeting were now "writing it all up and putting in reports to the various agencies."

The film director has helped develop deep-sea submersible equipment and other underwater ocean technology for the making of documentaries exploring the wrecks of the ocean liner Titanic and the German battleship Bismarck some two miles below the surface.

'REALLY SMART PEOPLE'

Cameron suggested the U.S. government needed to take a more active role in monitoring the undersea gusher, which has become the worst oil spill in U.S. history.

"I know really, really, really smart people that work typically at depths much greater than what that well is at," Cameron said.
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wtf. i can't believe they'd turn away any offers of assistance. i look at it this way: nothing they've tried so far has worked. why not try some massively insane stunt to see if it works? after all, if this were a james cameron movie, it would.
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I would guess they'd see it as an embarrassment if their experts couldn't come up with a solution and then some Hollywood director comes and shows them how it goes. They're still more concerned about PR than anything, but it could of course backfire.
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I would guess they'd see it as an embarrassment if their experts couldn't come up with a solution and then some Hollywood director comes and shows them how it goes. They're still more concerned about PR than anything, but it could of course backfire.
Yeah, I can see where they'd think that's good logic, because their current PR is so fantastic, right?

If somebody from Hollywood, or anywhere else, came in with a solution and actually made them look even worse, good. I think they could use the sufficient embarrassment. Maybe it'll knock some sense into them. On the news earlier this evening, I saw lovely images of another animal covered in oil and one on its back, legs kicking in the air, dying . So yeah, let BP turn a few shades of red. I really don't care.

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I'll be curious to hear when more of the info comes out about how much of BP's early efforts were entirely to try and save the viability of the well vs. stopping the leak.

This will be so ugly for so many years both environmentally and legally.

Ugh. Sad.
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