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YBOR, your new icon is offensive and disturbing.

Is that really necessary? We're all aware of the horror of what's going on, despite how we feel about the president's handling of it all.
 
What I expected of Obama to do was take oversight of the clean up efforts to meet with local officials and BP to make sure all of these things were being done alot sooner than now.
Did you read the link I posted? They had to choose the means of clean up first, what was the priority clean up or stopping the leak, when did Obama respond?

I think this is a problem of optics if you honestly don't think Obama didn't respond until now.

I'm hearing the stories that BP is destroying the "evidence". They are collecting the carcasses they are keeping the reporters and enviromental volunteers away from the dead sea life - don't forget these are public beaches. They are expanding a "no-fly" zone over much of the north eastern gulf, when I say "they" I mean BP. How can the Gov't sit back and allow this?
Ok, but don't let rumors be part of the reason you're blaming Obama.
 

It just seems to me that a lot of the people ragging on Obama are the very same sort who don't believe that the government is capable of delivering any sort of acceptable services. All of a sudden now, the government should be in charge of clean up. What, the free market isn't able to fix it? :ohmy:
 
It just seems to me that a lot of the people ragging on Obama are the very same sort who don't believe that the government is capable of delivering any sort of acceptable services. All of a sudden now, the government should be in charge of clean up. What, the free market isn't able to fix it? :ohmy:

The rightwing radio guys are so hard up to make this Obama's Katrina that they are finding themselves in this hypocricy, and what's funny is that some of their own audience is calling them out of it...
 
YBOR, your new icon is offensive and disturbing.

Is that really necessary? We're all aware of the horror of what's going on, despite how we feel about the president's handling of it all.


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It just seems to me that a lot of the people ragging on Obama are the very same sort who don't believe that the government is capable of delivering any sort of acceptable services. All of a sudden now, the government should be in charge of clean up. What, the free market isn't able to fix it? :ohmy:

Bingo. Exactly. Make up your mind, Americans, either you want the government to get involved or you don't. And if you don't, then this is what happens.

Yeah, YBORCITYOBL, I really wish you'd stop making it sound like those of us who've had more defense of Obama somehow are okay with or approve of this whole mess, because we aren't and don't. This whole thing is insanely frustrating and makes me incredibly angry. There was a story last night about children living along the Gulf who have had to deal first with the hell that was Katrina and now this. One little girl's lone wish was to have her beach back. Kids can't go for a fun swim because of this, their parents are in danger of losing jobs because of this, the area where they call home is being ruined because of this. It was heartbreaking. We're all just as upset as you are. Please, do understand this, make no mistake about it.

All we're saying is that we think the anger is directed at the wrong person. Again, yes, there are some aspects of this Obama could have tried to control and should have been able to have no problem controlling, but most of this is out of his hands, and whatever he could have tried to handle would've been made difficult by some people. It's because of the "No government interference!" crowd and the drilling-obsessed people and BP's appaling lack of self-control and management and the oil companies' out-of-control power trip that this crap happened. Obama just happened to be the unfortunate guy who has to now deal with the fallout. And he may not be doing what you typically expect presidents to be doing during these situations, but that doesn't mean he's not doing anything, that doesn't mean he's not holding anyone accountable, that doesn't mean he's not keeping an eye on the situation and working with everyone imaginable to try and do something. I don't know how much more simply we can explain that.

Angela
 
Uh-oh, this doesn't look good... (if all the speculation is even just half correct) :yikes:

Borrowed from another forum (who borrowed it from another board)....

From: The Oil Drum | Deepwater Oil Spill - A Longer Term Problem, Personnel - and Open Thread 2

Editors' note for first-time visitors: What follows is a comment from a The Oil Drum reader. To read what The Oil Drum staff members are saying about the Deepwater Horizon Spill, please visit the front page. (Were the US government and BP more forthcoming with information and details, the situation would not be giving rise to so much speculation about what is actually going on in the Gulf. This should be run more like Mission Control at NASA than an exclusive country club function--it is a public matter--transparency, now!)

OK let's get real about the GOM oil flow. There doesn't really seem to be much info on TOD that furthers more complete understanding of what's really happening in the GOM.
As you have probably seen and maybe feel yourselves, there are several things that do not appear to make sense regarding the actions of attack against the well. Don't feel bad, there is much that doesn't make sense even to professionals unless you take into account some important variables that we are not being told about. There seems to me to be a reluctance to face what cannot be termed anything less than grim circumstances in my opinion. There certainly is a reluctance to inform us regular people and all we have really gotten is a few dots here and there...

First of all...set aside all your thoughts of plugging the well and stopping it from blowing out oil using any method from the top down. Plugs, big valves to just shut it off, pinching the pipe closed, installing a new bop or lmrp, shooting any epoxy in it, top kills with mud etc etc etc....forget that, it won't be happening..it's done and over. In fact actually opening up the well at the subsea source and allowing it to gush more is not only exactly what has happened, it was probably necessary, or so they think anyway.

So you have to ask WHY? Why make it worse?...there really can only be one answer and that answer does not bode well for all of us. It's really an inescapable conclusion at this point, unless you want to believe that every Oil and Gas professional involved suddenly just forgot everything they know or woke up one morning and drank a few big cups of stupid and got assigned to directing the response to this catastrophe. Nothing makes sense unless you take this into account, but after you do...you will see the "sense" behind what has happened and what is happening. That conclusion is this:

The well bore structure is compromised "Down hole".

That is something which is a "Worst nightmare" conclusion to reach. While many have been saying this for some time as with any complex disaster of this proportion many have "said" a lot of things with no real sound reasons or evidence for jumping to such conclusions, well this time it appears that they may have jumped into the right place...

TOP KILL - FAILS:
This was probably our best and only chance to kill this well from the top down. This "kill mud" is a tried and true method of killing wells and usually has a very good chance of success. The depth of this well presented some logistical challenges, but it really should not of presented any functional obstructions. The pumping capacity was there and it would have worked, should have worked, but it didn't.

It didn't work, but it did create evidence of what is really happening. First of all the method used in this particular top kill made no sense, did not follow the standard operating procedure used to kill many other wells and in fact for the most part was completely contrary to the procedure which would have given it any real chance of working.

When a well is "Killed" using this method heavy drill fluid "Mud" is pumped at high volume and pressure into a leaking well. The leaks are "behind" the point of access where the mud is fired in, in this case the "choke and Kill lines" which are at the very bottom of the BOP (Blow Out Preventer) The heavy fluid gathers in the "behind" portion of the leaking well assembly, while some will leak out, it very quickly overtakes the flow of oil and only the heavier mud will leak out. Once that "solid" flow of mud is established at the leak "behind" the well, the mud pumps increase pressure and begin to overtake the pressure of the oil deposit. The mud is established in a solid column that is driven downward by the now stronger pumps. The heavy mud will create a solid column that is so heavy that the oil deposit can no longer push it up, shut off the pumps...the well is killed...it can no longer flow.

Usually this will happen fairly quickly, in fact for it to work at all...it must happen quickly. There is no "trickle some mud in" because that is not how a top kill works. The flowing oil will just flush out the trickle and a solid column will never be established. Yet what we were told was "It will take days to know whether it
worked"...."Top kill might take 48 hours to complete"...the only way it could take days is if BP intended to do some "test fires" to test integrity of the entire system. The actual "kill" can only take hours by nature because it must happen fairly rapidly. It also increases strain on the "behind" portion and in this instance we all know that what remained was fragile at best.

Early that afternoon we saw a massive flow burst out of the riser "plume" area. This was the first test fire of high pressure mud injection. Later on same day we saw a greatly increased flow out of the kink leaks, this was mostly mud at that time as the kill mud is tanish color due to the high amount of Barite which is added to it to weight it and Barite is a white powder.

We later learned the pumping was shut down at midnight, we weren't told about that until almost 16 hours later, but by then...I'm sure BP had learned the worst. The mud they were pumping in was not only leaking out the "behind" leaks...it was leaking out of someplace forward...and since they were not even near being able to pump mud into the deposit itself, because the well would be dead long before...and the oil was still coming up, there could only be one conclusion...the wells casings were ruptured and it was leaking "down hole"

They tried the "Junk shot"...the "bridging materials" which also failed and likely made things worse in regards to the ruptured well casings.

"Despite successfully pumping a total of over 30,000 barrels of heavy mud, in three attempts at rates of up to
80 barrels a minute, and deploying a wide range of different bridging materials, the operation did not overcome the flow from the well."
Update on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill | Press release | BP

80 Barrels per minute is over 200,000 gallons per hour, over 115,000 barrels per day...did we seen an increase over and above what was already leaking out of 115k bpd?....we did not...it would have been a massive increase in order of multiples and this did not happen.

"The whole purpose is to get the kill mud down,” said Wells. “We'll have 50,000 barrels of mud on hand to kill this well. It's far more than necessary, but we always like to have backup."

Try finding THAT quote around...it's been scrubbed...here's a cached copy of a quote...
Tube seems to be working in Gulf spill | Deepwater Horizon | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

"The "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers, had pumped enough drilling fluid to block oil and gas spewing from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well was very low, he said, but persisting."

"Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well had run out of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship was on the way. He said he was encouraged by the progress."
Top kill' plugs gulf oil leak, official says | HoumaToday.com

Later we found out that Allen had no idea what was really going on and had been "Unavailable all day"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/05/27/interview_with_coas...

So what we had was BP running out of 50,000 barrels of mud in a very short period of time. An amount far and above what they deemed necessary to kill the well. Shutting down pumping 16 hours before telling anyone, including the president. We were never really given a clear reason why "Top Kill" failed, just that it couldn't overcome the well.

There is only one article anywhere that says anything else about it at this time of writing...and it's a relatively obscure article from the wall street journal "online" citing an unnamed source.

"WASHINGTON—BP PLC has concluded that its "top-kill" attempt last week to seal its broken well in the Gulf of
Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

The disk, part of the subsea safety infrastructure, may have ruptured during the surge of oil and gas up the well on April 20 that led to the explosion aboard the Deepwater Horizon rig, BP officials said. The rig sank two days later, triggering a leak that has since become the worst in U.S. history.

The broken disk may have prevented the heavy drilling mud injected into the well last week from getting far enough down the well to overcome the pressure from the escaping oil and gas, people familiar with BP's findings said. They said much of the drilling mud may also have escaped from the well into the rock formation outside the wellbore.

As a result, BP wasn't able to get sufficient pressure to keep the oil and gas at bay. If they had been able to build up sufficient pressure, the company had hoped to pump in cement and seal off the well. The effort was deemed a failure on Saturday.

BP started the top-kill effort Wednesday afternoon, shooting heavy drilling fluids into the broken valve known as a blowout preventer. The mud was driven by a 30,000 horsepower pump installed on a ship at the surface. But it was clear from the start that a lot of the "kill mud" was leaking out instead of going down into the well."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870487560457528013357716426...

There are some inconsistencies with this article.
There are no "Disks" or "Subsea safety structure" 1,000 feet below the sea floor, all that is there is well bore. There is nothing that can allow the mud or oil to "escape" into the rock formation outside the well bore except the well, because it is the only thing there.

All the actions and few tid bits of information all lead to one inescapable conclusion. The well pipes below the sea floor are broken and leaking. Now you have some real data of how BP's actions are evidence of that, as well as some murky statement from "BP officials" confirming the same.

I took some time to go into a bit of detail concerning the failure of Top Kill because this was a significant event. To those of us outside the real inside loop, yet still fairly knowledgeable, it was a major confirmation of what many feared. That the system below the sea floor has serious failures of varying magnitude in the complicated chain, and it is breaking down and it will continue to.

What does this mean?

It means they will never cap the gusher after the wellhead. They cannot...the more they try and restrict the oil gushing out the bop?...the more it will transfer to the leaks below. Just like a leaky garden hose with a nozzle on it. When you open up the nozzle?...it doesn't leak so bad, you close the nozzle?...it leaks real bad,
same dynamics. It is why they sawed the riser off...or tried to anyway...but they clipped it off, to relieve pressure on the leaks "down hole". I'm sure there was a bit of panic time after they crimp/pinched off the large riser pipe and the Diamond wire saw got stuck and failed...because that crimp diverted pressure and flow to the rupture down below.

Contrary to what most of us would think as logical to stop the oil mess, actually opening up the gushing well and making it gush more became direction BP took after confirming that there was a leak. In fact if you note their actions, that should become clear. They have shifted from stopping or restricting the gusher to opening it up and catching it. This only makes sense if they want to relieve pressure at the leak hidden down below the seabed.....and that sort of leak is one of the most dangerous and potentially damaging kind of leak there could be. It is also inaccessible which compounds our problems. There is no way to stop that leak from above, all they can do is relieve the pressure on it and the only way to do that right now is to open up the nozzle above and gush more oil into the gulf and hopefully catch it, which they have done, they just neglected to tell us why, gee thanks.

A down hole leak is dangerous and damaging for several reasons.
There will be erosion throughout the entire beat up, beat on and beat down remainder of the "system" including that inaccessible leak. The same erosion I spoke about in the first post is still present and has never stopped, cannot be stopped, is impossible to stop and will always be present in and acting on anything that is left which has crude oil "Product" rushing through it. There are abrasives still present, swirling flow will create hot spots of wear and this erosion is relentless and will always be present until eventually it wears away enough material to break it's way out. It will slowly eat the bop away especially at the now pinched off riser head and it will flow more and more. Perhaps BP can outrun or keep up with that out flow with various suckage methods for a period of time, but eventually the well will win that race, just how long that race will be?...no one really knows....However now?...there are other problems that a down hole leak will and must produce that will compound this already bad situation.

This down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer's immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?...we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material of sand and silt. It doesn't hold up anything and isn't meant to, what holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself. The very large steel connectors of the initial well head "spud" stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn't do anything in way of support if it did. After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn't put a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100' tall pipe "in the air" and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and expect it not to bend over...unless that pipe was very much larger than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well's piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the seabed to function and not literally fall over...and it is now showing signs of doing just that....falling over.

If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer...and inclinometer is an instrument that measures "Incline" or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to be tilting...and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to...

This is not the only problem that occurs due to erosion of the outer area of the well casings. The way a well casing assembly functions it that it is an assembly of different sized "tubes" that decrease in size as they go down. These tubes have a connection to each other that is not unlike a click or snap together locking action. After a certain length is assembled they are cemented around the ouside to the earth that the more rough drill hole is bored through in the well making process. A very well put together and simply explained process of "How to drill a deep water oil well" is available here:
An Introduction to Drilling Offshore Oil Wells

The well bore casings rely on the support that is created by the cementing phase of well construction. Just like if you have many hands holding a pipe up you could put some weight on the top and the many hands could hold the pipe and the weight on top easily...but if there were no hands gripping and holding the pipe?...all the weight must be held up by the pipe alone. The series of connections between the sections of casings are not designed to hold up the immense weight of the BOP without all the "hands" that the cementing provides and they will eventually buckle and fail when stressed beyond their design limits.

These are clear and present dangers to the battered subsea safety structure (bop and lmrp) which is the only loose cork on this well we have left. The immediate (first 1,000 feet) of well structure that remains is now also undoubtedly compromised. However.....as bad as that is?...it is far from the only possible problems with this very problematic well. There were ongoing troubles with the entire process during the drilling of this well. There were also many comprises made by BP IMO which may have resulted in an overall weakened structure of the entire well system all the way to the bottom plug which is over 12,000 feet deep. Problems with the cementing procedure which was done by Haliburton and was deemed as “was against our best practices.” by a Haliburton employee on April 1st weeks before the well blew out. There is much more and I won't go into detail right now concerning the lower end of the well and the troubles encountered during the whole creation of this well and earlier "Well control" situations that were revieled in various internal BP e-mails. I will add several links to those documents and quotes from them below and for now, address the issues concerning the upper portion of the well and the region of the sea floor.

What is likely to happen now?

Well...none of what is likely to happen is good, in fact...it's about as bad as it gets. I am convinced the erosion and compromising of the entire system is accelerating and attacking more key structural areas of the well, the blow out preventer and surrounding strata holding it all up and together. This is evidenced by the tilt of the blow out preventer and the erosion which has exposed the well head connection. What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. I suspect they will run those supports as cables tied to anchors very soon, if they don't, they are inviting disaster that much sooner.

Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. If and when you begin to see oil and gas coming up around the well area from under the BOP? or the area around the well head connection and casing sinking more and more rapidly? ...it won't be too long after that the entire system fails. BP must be aware of this, they are mapping the sea floor sonically and that is not a mere exercise. Our Gov't must be well aware too, they just are not telling us.

All of these things lead to only one place, a fully wide open well bore directly to the oil deposit...after that, it goes into the realm of "the worst things you can think of" The well may come completely apart as the inner liners fail. There is still a very long drill string in the well, that could literally come flying out...as I said...all the worst things you can think of are a possibility, but the very least damaging outcome as bad as it is, is that we are stuck with a wide open gusher blowing out 150,000 barrels a day of raw oil or more. There isn't any "cap dome" or any other suck fixer device on earth that exists or could be built that will stop it from gushing out and doing more and more damage to the gulf. While at the same time also doing more damage to the well, making the chance of halting it with a kill from the bottom up less and less likely to work, which as it stands now?....is the only real chance we have left to stop it all.

It's a race now...a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, wore out, blown out, leaking and failing system gives up it's last gasp in a horrific crescendo.

We are not even 2 months into it, barely half way by even optimistic estimates. The damage done by the leaked oil now is virtually immeasurable already and it will not get better, it can only get worse. No matter how much they can collect, there will still be thousands and thousands of gallons leaking out every minute, every hour of every day. We have 2 months left before the relief wells are even near in position and set up to take a kill shot and that is being optimistic as I said.

Over the next 2 months the mechanical situation also cannot improve, it can only get worse, getting better is an impossibility. While they may make some gains on collecting the leaked oil, the structural situation cannot heal itself. It will continue to erode and flow out more oil and eventually the inevitable collapse which cannot be stopped will happen. It is only a simple matter of who can "get there first"...us or the well.

We can only hope the race against that eventuality is one we can win, but my assessment I am sad to say is that we will not.

The system will collapse or fail substantially before we reach the finish line ahead of the well and the worst is yet to come.

Sorry to bring you that news, I know it is grim, but that is the way I see it....I sincerely hope I am wrong.

We need to prepare for the possibility of this blow out sending more oil into the gulf per week then what we already have now, because that is what a collapse of the system will cause. All the collection efforts that have captured oil will be erased in short order. The magnitude of this disaster will increase exponentially by the time we can do anything to halt it and our odds of actually even being able to halt it will go down.

The magnitude and impact of this disaster will eclipse anything we have known in our life times if the worst or even near worst happens...

We are seeing the puny forces of man vs the awesome forces of nature.
We are going to need some luck and a lot of effort to win...
and if nature decides we ought to lose, we will....
 
Oil spilled...Obama chilled.

obama_golf.jpg

oh geeee......
.....like when President Bush who partied ar some big event while Katrina and slow federal response wreaked havoc in (Democratic Governer) New Orleans- while the Republican Harley Babour got better help faster, and BEORE thathe stayed on vacation all during AUgust while the AUGUST 6th 2001 Daily Presidential Memo said..."Bin Laden determined to strike ( buildings) in USA " .


Pres. Obama's personality doesn't seem to have him get mad in public too often and yeah, the "angry black man" STILL is a problem for some people.
 
you think Obama would at least have the decency to give up golf until the hole gets plug.

some of you may recall W gave up golf during the Iraq war
he was willing to sacrifice for our troops, they knew he really cared.

dolphins are smart, they know what's going on.
 
Stationary bike with a generator? :wink:


On the bright side ( :D ):

I think I may have talked my friend in Vegas into getting an estimate on solar panels for his house. He pays $500 per month in electricity. :huh:

That may be one to chalk up in the Positive action column for America future energy policy kw1!

I may still actually have ( if it didn't get lost in my move) the
US Dept Energy's Alternative Energies' Pamphlet from around 1979 issued durring the Carter Administration. It was a serious layout of actions to construct, esp in Solar and some wind.
 
you think Obama would at least have the decency to give up golf until the hole gets plug.

some of you may recall W gave up golf during the Iraq war
he was willing to sacrifice for our troops, they knew he really cared.

oh please!
Bush took the most vacations (cutting brush at that fake ranch of his) than almost any other president.

I want him to have some downtime so that that smart (not perfect) brain of his can get recharged. Especially IF golf IS one of his favorite sports vs something else.
 
Ugh, what a depressing article, Popmartijn :(. I appreciate you sharing that, but geez, would be lovely to hear some happy news right about now. I'm really sorry to hear that, and hope against hope that some sort of a miracle occurs to at least lessen that threat.

Pres. Obama's personality doesn't seem to have him get mad in public too often and yeah, the "angry black man" STILL is a problem for some people.

Great point, and thanks :).

Obama's supposed to give a speech tonight about all this mess, so now we can finally be clear about his thoughts and plans. Hopefully he can find some way to reassure everybody and rally everyone together to solve this problem.

Angela
 
Watching Fox now
Sarah Palin is on, she is an oil expert, she was the Governor of Alaska, and she knew how to deal with those big oil companies

she said Obama won't take calls from the Dutch, and they are experts at plugging leaks, with all their dikes.
 
she said Obama won't take calls from the Dutch, and they are experts at plugging leaks, with all their dikes.

I had heard a talk radio host say something about that as well a month or so ago, and asked on here if anyone had any info on that, because if it's true, all I can say is

fuuuu.jpg
 
Sarah Palin is on, she is an oil expert

I think that's the first time I've ever seen her name and "expert" in the same sentence. Yes, I will take suggestions on how to fix the oil problem from Miss "Drill, baby, drill!". Sure.

I'm not fond of nuking the oil spill myself, but your idea does have support among some out there, Moser. Wonder if it will have to come to that?

I thought Obama's speech earlier was all right, I like that he laid out some plans for the coming months to try and salvage some of this mess, and I like that he stressed the importance of clean energy and why we should get off oil and onto that, and why regulations are necessary-it's extremely important those messages get out there to the public, and I'm glad he made note of that. He seemed kinda nervous to me, though, like he really wanted to let people know that he is committed to solving this problem.

Angela
 
I hate to sound ignorant as well, but now I'm hearing others use this phrase "nuke it", what do you mean by nuke it?

Apparently the Soviets had that same problem a number of times in the Arctic Sea and they just used a small atomic bomb to plug the hole.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/sarah-palin-blames-enviro_n_598977.html

Sarah Palin now says environmentalists are to blame:
Her logic is that because environmentalists push for tougher drilling regulations onshore in places like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (also known as ANWR) it forces oil companies to explore deeper offshore drilling which has more risks.

Oh she is such a joy. :happy:
 
I don't know for certain, but from what I saw it was water-based. But it wouldn't surprise me if it were different.
 
Nuke the oil spill??!!! Holy cow, are they serious?

Be right back....printing up several thousand "Nuke the Oil Spill" t-shirts. Should be a hot seller. Thanks for the idea.

All joking aside (because this isn't funny at all really), I just got an email from a friend asking if I knew any patent lawyers. I'm told that his neighbor is a retired BP engineer, and that BP is now reaching out to several of their retired experts. They are asking them for some idea, any idea at all, to help stop the leak. This guy supposedly has some idea, but says, from his past dealings with them, does not trust them at all. So, he wants to patent it first. I hope his idea is meaningful, and I hope they move fast. But overall, this does not inspire confidence at all. I do not think BP has any idea what to do about this disaster. I hope there isn't unlimited amounts of oil down there.
 
Bingo. Exactly. Make up your mind, Americans, either you want the government to get involved or you don't. And if you don't, then this is what happens.

Yeah, YBORCITYOBL, I really wish you'd stop making it sound like those of us who've had more defense of Obama somehow are okay with or approve of this whole mess, because we aren't and don't. This whole thing is insanely frustrating and makes me incredibly angry. There was a story last night about children living along the Gulf who have had to deal first with the hell that was Katrina and now this. One little girl's lone wish was to have her beach back. Kids can't go for a fun swim because of this, their parents are in danger of losing jobs because of this, the area where they call home is being ruined because of this. It was heartbreaking. We're all just as upset as you are. Please, do understand this, make no mistake about it.

All we're saying is that we think the anger is directed at the wrong person. Again, yes, there are some aspects of this Obama could have tried to control and should have been able to have no problem controlling, but most of this is out of his hands, and whatever he could have tried to handle would've been made difficult by some people. It's because of the "No government interference!" crowd and the drilling-obsessed people and BP's appaling lack of self-control and management and the oil companies' out-of-control power trip that this crap happened. Obama just happened to be the unfortunate guy who has to now deal with the fallout. And he may not be doing what you typically expect presidents to be doing during these situations, but that doesn't mean he's not doing anything, that doesn't mean he's not holding anyone accountable, that doesn't mean he's not keeping an eye on the situation and working with everyone imaginable to try and do something. I don't know how much more simply we can explain that.

Angela

Great Post :up:

Since I live here I think that what makes me so angry. I look at it as a way of life that will be indefinitely altered, I mean for decades this will have effects in the Gulf, it's very sad. You bring up the young people, as you grow older and understand that the policies and actions that we as a generation take will have impacts on future generations. We have a responsibility to leave the world a better place than when we were kids. If you read my earlier posts you can definitely see where I've had a lot of problems with Bush and his Administration's failures but I want to hold Obama's to the same scrutiny and from where I am sitting he has failed on this issue. Maybe BVS is right, maybe living so close to this catastrophe eschews my vision of this and I'm not looking at it from a total objective view and I admit that.

Also I want to set something else straight I might have come off as some right wing loon in the past which I was never was. I was always middle road maybe leaning toward the right in many views and with that said I could honestly say how bad Bush was. I have many business contacts who are dyed in the wool Republicans/Conservatives who can't/won't admit how terrible the last Administration was. I would like the same scrutiny put to Obama. Going back to the beginning of my posts on this thread and Obama's Thread and even Bush's Thread the biggest point I've been trying to make and prolly ALL of you won't agree with this is that as a country in my view we got the last three Presidential Elections wrong. I never ever liked Bush, I saw him as someone who was in way over his head. I don't think he had what it takes to be a leader, he didn't surround himself with the best people and that is of the upmost importance. As for Obama he didn't have the experiance of leadership that needs to come with the Office. In my view he prolly would be a great president but it happened to fast. Going forward, it scares the crap out of me that there's a real possibility that Sarah Palin will have a chance to become President and here lies in the whole ball of wax. we are not putting the best suited individuals for this job and PLEASE don't think I believed McCain/Palin would have been the way to go, they both we're not suited for it either, as usual the election was who were the better of two evils.
 
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