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Old 07-23-2010, 11:26 AM   #361
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:56 PM   #362
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I'm a little surprised that our free-market loving conservatives here are posting about the loss of these jobs so tearfully when it is becoming rather obvious to anyone with one iota of business sense that there are far more sound investments that the private sector can make than drilling in the Gulf.
Again, which industries do you suggest?

From which countries would America import more oil?
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Old 07-23-2010, 07:00 PM   #363
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I think it's pretty obvious that a move towards renewable energy is a necessity and not a choice at this point. Is America so lacking in innovation these days that oil is the extent of its energy-related vision?

I love how your response is to immediately wonder where you'd get MORE oil from.
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This is still an overwhelmingly carbon-based economy, and won't be changing anytime soon. Oil is relatively cheap. Planes, trains, and automobiles, etc...they all run on carbon. Realistically, if we wound down Gulf production it would be replaced with more imports.

Which green jobs are you advocating for Louisiana and Mississippi to replace oil production...and would they be funded privately or by stimulus funds?
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This is still an overwhelmingly carbon-based economy, and won't be changing anytime soon. Oil is relatively cheap. Planes, trains, and automobiles, etc...they all run on carbon. Realistically, if we wound down Gulf production it would be replaced with more imports.
Virgin (and I think Continental) have flown jets with 50 percent biodiesel.

My local train runs on electricity. How we get that electricity is another story for now.

My car is a hybrid (roughly 44 mpg), and I'm considering putting down a deposit on a Wheego Electric.
Wheego Electric Cars

Rather than thinking about it as winding down domestic oil production, let's think of it as increasing the use of other resources. It works.


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Which green jobs are you advocating for Louisiana and Mississippi to replace oil production...and would they be funded privately or by stimulus funds?
There are other industries for Louisiana. Why not ethanol and biodiesel production? The infrastructure is there, so I've been told.

There are things like this, too:

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Louisiana Immersive Technologies Enterprise--Jindal's thinking ahead, too.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:28 AM   #366
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what about the gas shortages in the late 70s and also during world war 2? people just fucking dealt with it. i've been told of people getting up even earlier for work to camp out at the gas station, only to then find out they're out of gas so you've wasted hours for nothing.

what happened as a result of the 70s shortage? people realised driving the huge tanks they had been were a waste of money, and more fuel-efficient cars were made. why is this not happening now? why is there no massive public outcry (granted some do want this but it's not the vast majority it seemed to be then) for better cars that use less gas and/or alternative fuel sources?

oh that's right. thanks to the 80s and 90s, people as a whole have become more selfish. can you imagine if we had another war that led to rationing? people wouldn't stand for it. what do you mean there's a banana ration and i can't have my smoothie? make me my damn smoothie like i ordered.

it scares me that while some more of the average joes are realising alternative sources are what's needed, still a vast majority of people are clinging to their shell oil to fill up their excursion.
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it scares me that while some more of the average joes are realising alternative sources are what's needed, still a vast majority of people are clinging to their shell oil to fill up their excursion.
And drive 50 miles to and from work each day.
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This is still an overwhelmingly carbon-based economy, and won't be changing anytime soon.


you're right, especially if we keep killing comprehensive energy bills.
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And drive 50 miles to and from work each day.
i know, right? but they don't wanna pay city taxes.
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i know, right? but they don't wanna pay city taxes.
But, they want more/wider roads because traffic is horrible.
"I mean, it takes me likes over an hour to get to work one way."
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And drive 50 miles to and from work each day.
My father drives well over 50 every day. Just about 70. I drive over 20.
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you're right, especially if we keep killing comprehensive energy bills.


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But, they want more/wider roads because traffic is horrible.
"I mean, it takes me likes over an hour to get to work one way."
exactly. i mean, a dream job for me would be one where i can work from home or one where i can walk to it easily. i know it can't be that easy for everyone and there's people who don't want to live downtown, but there's definitely some middle ground between living across the street and living 50 miles away.
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My father drives well over 50 every day. Just about 70. I drive over 20.
Well, I don't want to get into a fight here, but that's a lot of miles to drive.
These are choices that we make. And, there are real consequences to them.

Americans do not pay the full cost of our gas and road addiction.

Is there a price per gallon that your father would consider a change, either in job location or where he lives?
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Well, I don't want to get into a fight here, but that's a lot of miles to drive.
These are choices that we make. And, there are real consequences to them.

Americans do not pay the full cost of our gas and road addiction.

Is there a price per gallon that your father would consider a change, either in job location or where he lives?
I don't get offended by anything on the Internet, so don't worry about that.

I don't think so. He's been working that far away for about a decade now, there've been some pretty high prices during that time period. He changed cars a few years ago to get something with better mileage. But we've been living here for nearly fifteen years, and his company only has one location because it's a small business. He can't transfer, and he really doesn't want to move since my family's so settled (I have several younger siblings).
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