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Old 07-03-2010, 02:50 AM   #316
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I don't know where the closest BP stations are to me, but I'll gladly exercise that policy, too, should I ever come across one.

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Old 07-03-2010, 08:38 AM   #317
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Seattle has a lot of am/pm stations, which I guess is part of BP. They usually have the cheapest gas but I rarely go there because all the ones near me are irritating to drive in and out of.

Now I have another reason not to go!
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Old 07-03-2010, 08:50 AM   #318
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There is something satisfying about not doing what you weren't doing anyway, but now you get to take a stand with it.:
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:12 AM   #319
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There is a little protesting at some BP stations in the Twin Cities.
I heard one station owner interviewed on the radio. He said he didn't understand protesting at BP gas stations because all BP stations are franchises that just buy their gas from BP, and it's just hurting small business owners.

Uh, Duh! You buy your gas from the BP overlords.
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There is a little protesting at some BP stations in the Twin Cities.
I heard one station owner interviewed on the radio. He said he didn't understand protesting at BP gas stations because all BP stations are franchises that just buy their gas from BP, and it's just hurting small business owners.

Uh, Duh! You buy your gas from the BP overlords.
I wonder if it's true what that station owner said. I know there are roughly three steps involved in gas production: Pumping up the oil, refining it and distributing it to the gas stations. And all three steps aren't necessarily conducted by the same oil company (for instance an oil tanker changes owners for an average of 13 times on a single trip - hello speculation!). So if you get your fuel at BP station, it might be refined by Shell and the oil could have been produced by Exxon. This also means that if you get gas at different station, there's a chance BP is still involved.

I appreciate the sentiment of boycotting BP stations but I also think it does little more than hurt the small business owner. Besides, this is not solely a BP problem in the sense that it could just as easily have been any other company. It's not a BP problem but one that involves the entire branche.

We basically need to get off the oil addiction.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:10 AM   #321
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I appreciate the sentiment of boycotting BP stations but I also think it does little more than hurt the small business owner. Besides, this is not solely a BP problem in the sense that it could just as easily have been any other company. It's not a BP problem but one that involves the entire branche.

We basically need to get off the oil addiction.
Exactly. Walk or bike. That's how you give big oil an F-U.

At least, drive less and get a fuel efficient car.
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Exactly. Walk or bike. That's how you give big oil an F-U.
Unfortunately, how often is that a reasonable solution? Last year, I worked 35 miles from home. This year, 15. I need to drive.

I'm fortunate to go to a university built upon walking and biking, but when I'm at home, there's really no reasonable way for anyone to walk or bike places, as suburbs like mine are just too spread out.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:38 PM   #323
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Each $10 per barrel rise in oil prices translates to a $1.3 Billion operating cost increase to the U.S. military.

The Army is using more electric vehicles:

Fresh Energy - Leading the Transition to Clean Energy - U.S. Army embraces electric vehicles
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I would love a Honda FCX Clarity.
It is the ultimate F-U to oil companies, and now Honda is working on a home hydrogen refueling station that is solar-powered and electrolyzes water to produce the hydrogen.

Refueling your car at home - latimes.com
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I would love a Honda FCX Clarity.
It is the ultimate F-U to oil companies, and now Honda is working on a home hydrogen refueling station that is solar-powered and electrolyzes water to produce the hydrogen.

Refueling your car at home - latimes.com
Honda didn't mention cost. The whole setup - car, hydrogen station, solar panels, etc could easily reach into the six figures.
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Honda didn't mention cost. The whole setup - car, hydrogen station, solar panels, etc could easily reach into the six figures.
Right now, the people who were selected to try the cars and refuel at the fixed Hydrogen stations are paying $600 per month to lease the vehicles. It is estimated that each of these cars that are on the road cost about $1,000,000 each.

Those figures would change substantially with mass production.

I don't know what Honda's home refueling station would cost, but for natural gas home vehicle refueling, I've seen figures of $1,000-$2,500. Electrolyzing water into Hydrogen and Oxygen is fairly simple technology (I have a model rocket toy that does it, and it cost $40.).

So, if the car was sold at a reasonable price ($25,000-$50,000?), I think a home refueling station wouldn't be unaffordable ($5,000?).
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but for natural gas home vehicle refueling, I've seen figures of $1,000-$2,500. Electrolyzing water into Hydrogen and Oxygen is fairly simple technology (I have a model rocket toy that does it, and it cost $40.).
In that case (of natural gas), they could probably skip the hydrogen part and just go with natural gas vehicles (which are mostly buses in the US). The Honda Civic GX is a CNG car, but the reliance on fossil fuels is till there as it would be on a CNG to hydrogen car.
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Scenes from a new church food pantry in the Gulf – Religion - CNN.com Blogs

The oil spill has hit Bayou La Batre, Alabama in a big way. Nearly everyone there depends on fishing and on the water for a living. At the moment, there are few sources of income. Adults who've never been out of work and have always provided for their families are now standing in line in the Alabama heat to accept some free food.

The day we were there, two organizations–the Bay Area Food Bank and a group called BPSOS, short for the Boat People S.O.S. Committee–joined together to distribute food to the community at the St. Margaret Catholic Church.

The Bay Area Food Bank gathers food from grocery stores and, with corporate support and government grants, distributes it to the needy. There hadn’t been a need for a mobile pantry delivery to Bayou La Batre until the oil spill occurred.

BPSOS is a national organization formed in 1980 to Vietnamese immigrants to the U.S. One-third of Bayou La Batre is Asian, including many Vietnamese.

Many people I talked to that day were hungry, concerned about their livelihood and the source of their next paycheck, but few were angry. Most said they’d be OK. Katrina had rocked their world, they said, but they eventually recovered.

They would get through this, too. This was the life they knew, they said, and they'd never think of moving away. The water had always provided for them and they believe it will again in the future.
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BP Nears Turning Point in Gulf Crisis - WSJ.com

this should be good news

looks like the spill / flow will be contained


now maybe Obama's ratings can go back up 10-15 % ?
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