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Old 07-07-2013, 11:07 AM   #16
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To a certain degree this is true. But I do see people use the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church as a reason to hate all Christians.
I find it interesting that people use a congregation of about 40 people as the functional equivalent of Islamism - the size and death toll of both groups are no where near equivalent.

And, just to be clear, I condemn the actions of Westboro just like the rest of you.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:21 AM   #17
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SECULAR education. When you say many are well educated - we are not typically talking about Oxford and Harvard. Little kids going through madrassas and other faith-based schools is a huge issue.
It is, but in places like Saudi Arabia, you can't expect a secular education there. Not when it prides itself as the birthplace of Islam. It is going to a lot, almost generations, to get Muslim countries to shake off their theocratic politics and faith-based education. And I think you need to give those kinds of Muslims a reason to think secularism is a better route, because they see it as Western colonialism being critical of their religion and culture.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:23 AM   #18
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Um... yes? Not to rehash the whole argument, but I'm pretty sure most Muslims aren't cool with this.
It's clearly bigger than a fringe. This stuff happens all the time. You know how I feel about Christianity, but when was the last time a group of Christians got together for this sort of thing?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:24 AM   #19
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I don't buy that. If that group was a radical right wing republican/far left group, you wouldn't see people condemning conservatism/liberalism as a whole - and those who did solely based on the actions of, yes, a fringe element, would be wrong.
if. It never happens. That's the point.
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That comparison isn't fair, though. The only way it would be fair would be if conservatism/liberalism actually called for such acts of terror, and those who didn't engage in such acts were simply glossing over that part of the dogma.

"Radical" Islamists aren't committing acts of terror because they're straying from the core tenets of their faith; they're committing such atrocities because they hold on to the core tenets of their faith too tightly.

If, in order to practice an ideology peacefully, one must ignore parts of the ideology, then perhaps the ideology is harmful in and of itself.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:46 AM   #21
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I find it interesting that people use a congregation of about 40 people as the functional equivalent of Islamism - the size and death toll of both groups are no where near equivalent.

And, just to be clear, I condemn the actions of Westboro just like the rest of you.
Not to mention, the WBC are just assholes who picked funerals and act like dickheads. If that's the equivalent people bring up, that says a lot
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SECULAR education. When you say many are well educated - we are not typically talking about Oxford and Harvard. Little kids going through madrassas and other faith-based schools is a huge issue.
Some of the best schools in America are Catholic - and those schools aren't churning out suicide bombers. I don't think "faith-based" schools are necessarily to blame, but what is being taught in those faith-based schools.
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It's clearly bigger than a fringe. This stuff happens all the time. You know how I feel about Christianity, but when was the last time a group of Christians got together for this sort of thing?
About a thousand years ago...
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About a thousand years ago...
Right. I would never argue that Christianity doesn't have a bloody past. And it certainly has its problems today. But at this point in its history, Islam has a serious violence issue
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But at this point in its history, Islam has a serious violence issue
It's tough to argue against that.
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Some of the best schools in America are Catholic - and those schools aren't churning out suicide bombers. I don't think "faith-based" schools are necessarily to blame, but what is being taught in those faith-based schools.
Catholic American schools are different from religious schools abroad.

Taking the kid gloves off religion means being able to differentiate between Catholic American schools and madrases in the Middle East.
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This is only slightly related, but....

"Soccer referee decapitated after stabbing player to death in Brazil"

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SAO PAULO (AP) — Police say enraged spectators invaded a football field, stoned the referee to death and quartered his body after he stabbed a player to death.

The Public Safety Department of the state of Maranhao says in a statement that it all started when referee Otavio da Silva expelled player Josenir Abreu from a game last weekend. The two got into a fist fight, then Silva took out a knife and stabbed Abreu, who died on his way to the hospital.

The statement issued this week says Abreu's friends and relatives immediately "rushed into the field, stoned the referee to death and quartered his body."

Local news media say the spectators also decapitated Silva and stuck his head on a stake in the middle of the field.

Police have arrested one suspect.
What the fuck did I just read
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I shouldn't be laughing but
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Wow, that did escalate quickly.



Why the fuck would a football referee carry a knife on the field?
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