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Old 09-27-2007, 05:04 AM   #91
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context, making a point, showing the irony of it all.
There's no irony, though. William's comments weren't racist. O'Reilly's comments on the other hand, at best, showed regretable ignorance about the ability of black people to carry themselves in civilized manner. That's a type of racism in my book.

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al sharpton and jesse jackson do not condemn gansta rap ( in fact they're more sympathic) .
Prove it. Give a me a quote that shows these guys supporting gangsta rap. Or does you saying it make it so?
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:05 AM   #92
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there is some truth to the idea that it's very hard for a white person to have a serious discusion about race relations without coming off sounding like a racist.

Not at all. There are plenty of white people right on this forum that have managed to discuss race relations without sounding like a racist.
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:16 AM   #93
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Correct, especially objectifying them thru song, deeds, or actions- like Hilary's husband has done, who she has protected for polictical ambition , thereby enabling those who denegrate women to continue to do so.

But you'll ignore this fact, indirectly perpetuating the cycle to continue, and continue to post clips and articles supporting your causes, occassionally surprising some of us here and there w/a decently written and objective piece, but for the most part it's recycled tabloid fodder.

good job, bravo-

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Thanks-coming from you that's a compliment. You wouldn't be able to recognize women truly being denigrated if it smacked you right in the face. And you are one of the least objective people here, if not the least objective. Hillary denigrates women in your eyes, but that's only because it fits with your political agenda. So it's ok for you to call her a shrew as well. Frankly I am so tired of your sexist remarks, and THOSE are offensive to me. As are your condescending holier than thou attacks on other people in this forum.

Some of the things you have said are so much more offensive than that avatar (they all are, but I say some so I won't be too broad) yet you chose to make an issue over that? And it wasn't personal either right, cause you just don't like someone pointing out your double standards? If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious.
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:49 AM   #94
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both would be viewed as offensive, and some from your crowd would attempt to argue both as 'freedom of speech', but neither wouldn't stand as avatars-not in this fourm, according to the rules.

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One's illegal in public, and one isn't. And as I said, it didn't break any rules, I did it as a favor to someone.

You acted like a child, and sometimes it's just easier to give into the child so congrats.

And what exactly is "my crowd"?
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:55 AM   #95
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NEW YORK (AP) - Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly said Wednesday his critics took remarks he made about a famed Harlem restaurant out of context and "fabricated a racial controversy where none exists."

He criticized the liberal group Media Matters for America as "smear merchants" for publicizing statements he made on his radio show last week.

O'Reilly told his radio audience that he dined with civil rights activist Al Sharpton at Sylvia's recently and "couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference" between the black-run restaurant and others in New York City.

It was just like a suburban Italian restaurant, he said. "There wasn't any kind of craziness at all," he said.

O'Reilly told The Associated Press that Media Matters had "cherry-picked" remarks out of a broader conversation about racial attitudes. He had told listeners that his grandmother - and many other white Americans - feared blacks because they didn't know any and were swayed by violent images in black culture.

"If you listened to the full hour, it was a criticism of racism on the part of white Americans who are ignorant of the fact that there is no difference between white and black anymore," he told the AP. "Circumstances may be different in their lives but we're all Americans. Anyone who would be offended by that conversation would have to be looking to be offended."

His radio show was a conversation with Fox News contributor Juan Williams, author of a book about the coarseness of some black culture. Williams defended O'Reilly during a Tuesday appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor."

"It's so frustrating," Williams said. "They want to shut you up. They want to shut up anybody who has an honest discussion about race."

Sharpton, appearing on O'Reilly's TV program Wednesday, acknowledged that he found accounts of what O'Reilly said "disturbing and surprising," but added that he had not heard the radio broadcast.

"You and I have gone to dinner before in Harlem, and I've never heard you say anything offensive," said Sharpton, speaking from Baton Rouge, La. "I'm going to listen to the tape and I'm going to give a judgment."

The controversy was similar to one that enveloped presidential candidate Joe Biden last winter. When Biden praised rival Barack Obama as "articulate" and "clean," many saw this as a way of conveying those were unusual characteristics for blacks.

Sylvia's manager Trenness Woods-Black told the New York Daily News that O'Reilly's remarks were "insulting" and showed he has little knowledge of the black community.

At one point on the radio show, Williams mentioned that too many people see little else in black culture beyond profane rap. "That's right," O'Reilly said. "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.'"

Karl Frisch, spokesman for Media Matters, said it is typical for O'Reilly to criticize his group for merely reporting what he says.

"We didn't call him a racist," Frisch said. "We said his comments were ignorant and racially charged, and we stand by that."

O'Reilly said that the Williams conversation was carried on more than 400 radio stations and that there wasn't one complaint from a listener.

"This isn't about a racially insensitive remark," he said. "Anybody can listen to the unedited version of the conversation on Billoreilly.com. You want to think I'm insensitive to race, you go right ahead."

The real story, he said, was about the "corrupt media culture" in which outlets like CNN and MSNBC do stories about his remarks "because they're getting killed in the ratings."
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:11 AM   #96
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Note to those who have to do damage control. When you claim something is out of context, try showing the context it was actually placed in. Don't just say it was out of context and then walk away.
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:23 AM   #97
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And what about the context of all his other prior remarks that could be possibly interpreted as being racist? People don't make public commentary in a vacuum, and he must know that.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270005?f=h_top

"During the September 26 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann, discussing Fox News host Bill O'Reilly's controversial September 19 remarks about his visit to Sylvia's restaurant in Harlem, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson said of O'Reilly's comment: "[I]t was, at best, a casually racist remark." Robinson also said: "[W]hat really ticks me off is that when you say that, when you point that out, you know, immediately you get charged by O'Reilly and cohorts with, you know, you're the thought police, you're the thought Gestapo, you're the word Nazis, you're interfering with free speech, and somehow cutting off an honest debate about race. Well, tell me what in the year 2007 is debatable about whether or not black people can use a knife and fork. I don't think that's debatable at this point."
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:49 AM   #98
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Doesn't O'Reilly realize that every time he opens his mouth on this particular issue he just rams his foot in deeper? At this point he's up to his knee I think.

Does Bill not recognize the fact that he expected, I don't know what he expected, but that he assumed Sylvia's would be "different" than other establishments he's eaten in shows his bigotry & ignorance. I don't necessarily blame him for having those expectations, but they are bigoted. I don't see why he doesn't just admit it & move on.

It's not like his core audience would care.
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:34 PM   #99
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I read this on gawker.com

Charts And Graphs
What Does Bill O'Reilly Really Say About Black People?

Fox News motormouth Bill O'Reilly is upset—he says that his recent remarks about those oh-so-well-behaved black people in Harlem were totally taken out of context! So we wondered: Well, what context were they in? Searching through the Fox transcripts, using the terms "Black, "African" and "African-American," and discarding comments about Africa (such as about Darfur or the IMF), Intern Mary itemizes the way in which Bill O'Reilly has talked about black people.



As a bonus, some of our favorite O'Reilly moments:

"Black Americans are understandably sensitive about any racial comment made by a Caucasian because of past history. It is true that the most vile things imaginable can be said about the white majority without any consequence, but America has a different set of rules for different groups." —10/4/05

"With single black women now heading 54.4% of all African-American households, the seeds of social chaos are deeply planted... Forget about counting on parents, that's a pipe dream. The truth is that many parents are addicted to the pipe or the bottle or to pursuing an irresponsible life. Even Bill Cosby can't force a screwed up mother or father to be responsible." —7/8/04

And of course: "Senator Barack Obama seems to be a nice guy; I won't say he's 'articulate,' because some African-Americans hear that word and take offense. In fact, I won't give the Senator any compliments other than the nice guy description, just to be on the safe side." —2/8/07
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Now he's on Bruce's case. Wow he sure gives Bruce tremendous power and influence. He wants Bruce to come on The Factor and back up his statements on 60 Minutes-and he called Bruce a pinhead. I don't know why Kinky Friedman is talking about it, but O'Reilly says Bruce is afraid to come on the show.

25 grand to Habitat For Humanity if Bruce comes on the show, and "if he's a man" he'll do it.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...hows&362&&&exp
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O'Reilly you are nothing but an entertainer, and you also don't ever answer questions in such forums, so what the hell are you talking about?
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:58 AM   #102
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But O'Reilly doesn't see himself as an entertainer, apparently. He seems to see himself as some sort of intellectual giant/ arbiter of the truth whereas entertainers such as Bruce are unpatriotic pinheads. Hey Bush just said the US doesn't torture, so now Bruce is definitely lying
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:47 PM   #103
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Part of me hopes Bruce does go on O'Reilly's show and gives him a verbal ass-kicking he will never forget.
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:50 PM   #104
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Bruce does have some flaws in his arguments, but a flaw in a liberal argument generally is equivalent to a crater in a conservative argument.
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Old 10-11-2007, 02:08 PM   #105
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I would lose a lot of respect for Springsteen if he gave that lying bag of bile the time of day.
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