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Old 09-16-2010, 11:35 AM   #91
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All being said there are so many male athletes who are great guys and gentlemen who would never have done what the Jets are alleged to have done. I haven't read about any of their comments or tweets or whatever speaking out about this-not that they have to but it would be nice.
TMZ doesn't exist so that they can show celebs doing nice things. it exists because people want to watch gossip.

it's the same thing here... clinton portis is a fool who dresses up in costumes for press conferences, but he's the one who's out there as the example of the average player in the NFL, because that's what sells.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:43 AM   #92
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You should read the article Deep posted.
Thanks Jive Turkey, I did. I also didn't know it was allowed.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:49 AM   #93
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TMZ doesn't exist so that they can show celebs doing nice things. it exists because people want to watch gossip.

it's the same thing here... clinton portis is a fool who dresses up in costumes for press conferences, but he's the one who's out there as the example of the average player in the NFL, because that's what sells.
I understand that obviously-but Twitter is there for everyone equally, whether it gets reported or not. Maybe some athletes have spoken out about it in a non Clinton Portis way. I'm not on Twitter at all so I don't know and I haven't had time to look online.

I only brought Erin up because Christine Brennan basically said that the outfits she wore on DWTS were somehow tied in to some sort of image that she has projected in her sports coverage that led to that stalking situation. Don't remember the exact quotes and my memory is fuzzy about it. How Erin looks on ESPN or DTWS has zero to do with that awful violation and that's a disgusting insinuation. Elisabeth Hasselbeck came right out and said that the guy who stalked her could have seen it "for free" on DWTS without doing what he did I'd never use her as an example of the average woman's opinion or thoughts or whatever you want to call it-but she did say it on The View and Erin did say she was really hurt by it and EH is a woman.

Inez in Erin's stalking situation, I feel exactly the same way. That is a different thing- I'm not comparing or equating it to the Jets situation in any way shape or form. Just saying that women can be just as unfair to other women as far as judgments of that sort.
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i wouldn't even categorize what she does with what the erin andrews of the world do. erin andrews may play the role of "sexy female reporter," but she is a reporter and does ask serious questions. she at least has a level of journalistic integrity about her.

that is what seperates her from this situation.
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that is what seperates her from this situation.
I'm not nitpicking but how exactly do you mean that? Just looking for some more

What separates her still has nothing to do with harassment or making anyone less guilty of it, making anyone more "susceptible" to it. Not saying you were implying that but I was just asking you to add to what you said.

Like I said before I only brought her up because of what the women said. But I did see a show where they showed a football player running up behind Erin and making some lewd gesture, I believe it was NFL. The show was talking about the Jets situation but they did show that , caught on camera during a game.
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I only brought Erin up because Christine Brennan basically said that the outfits she wore on DWTS were somehow tied in to some sort of image that she has projected in her sports coverage that led to that stalking situation.
the irony is that brennan, after making those comments about andrews, is now one of the biggest defenders of sainz.
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the irony is that brennan, after making those comments about andrews, is now one of the biggest defenders of sainz.

I haven't read what she said about Inez but she has essentially painted herself into a corner after what she said about Erin and the justifiable backlash that followed that. What happened to Erin was a horrible crime, and NO ONE encourages a nutcase to drill a hole in their hotel room door. Nutcases like him have the sole responsibility for that.

http://deadspin.com/5323960/christin...marm-offensive

USA Today's Christine Brennan went on Howard Kurtz's unctuous TV show yesterday and explained away her underminey Erin Andrews comments, emphasizing that she has "always been concerned about Erin" and somehow outstripping all her male colleagues in patrician superciliousness.

Improbably, Brennan has emerged as the media's most obnoxious commentator on the Erin Andrews saga, outdoing even Mariotti and Whitlock. First, she came dangerously close to saying Andrews was asking for it, telling one sports radio show:

"If you trade off your sex appeal, if you trade off your looks, eventually you're going to lose those. She doesn't deserve what happened to her, but part of the shtick, seems to me, is being a little bit out there in a way that then are you encouraging the complete nutcase to drill a hole in your room."



Then Brennan went on Kurtz's Reliable Sources yesterday to shake her head gravely and say "poor Erin Andrews" over and over. She claimed the above quote was taken out of context.

There's a soundbite there that's missing, Howie. I said, I want to have a long career. I was talking about myself. That was taken out of those clips. ... The first part of that, I was talking about myself, and that was taken out of the clip.

Then she talked about herself some more:

I've done this, as you know, for 28 years, and I talked, for example, in the interview how when I covered the Washington Redskins for the Washington Post, and if I said hello or gave a quick little hug to, say, a sportscaster who's a friend of mine, all the Redskins would talk to him about [was] was he dating me? So, what I said in a very, very kind way, very concerned about Erin — I've always been very concerned about Erin in this — I was talking about the pitfalls and the problems in this country today for women in sports media.

And then some more (this in the context of the Ben Roethlisberger sexual assault allegations and the media's naming of his accuser):

Yes, it troubles me. But after the week I've had, and I think of poor Erin Andrews, this is a whole different world, Howie, and what does it say about journalism in the 21st century?

Poor Christine Brennan. It seems she's found herself inside the media wringer for once and doesn't much like it. I have a hard time mustering much sympathy, though. She was clearly asking for this.
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Erin Andrews Nude Video Peep Pictures, ESPN Cuts New York Post - ABC News

"Erin [Andrews] did not deserve this. I want to make that crystal clear. But she's got to be smarter and better," she said.

She later tweeted that "women sports journalists need to be smart and not play to the frat house."


I fail to see how any of that can have any relevance to what that guy did to Erin Andrews in any possible way. Blaming crime victims for the acts of criminals is not acceptable. If Erin Andrews didn't go on DWTS and wear the outfits she wore and she wasn't attractive then she's a more acceptable crime victim somehow? Playing to the frat house, whatever that entails, has zero relevance to what happened to Erin. Erin just should have been smarter and better.
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I'm not nitpicking but how exactly do you mean that? Just looking for some more
Erin Andrews (when reporting) asks serious questions and is taken seriously by athletes and coaches alike. She is a smart women who went to school for this occupation and worked hard to get her job. Did her good looks help? Yeah.

The Mexican woman is much more an entertainment gooroo looking for attention and ratings as opposed to news/info.
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Act like a team of douchebags, get treated like a team of douchebags.

Dress like a floozie, get treated like a floozie.

IMHO, they all deserve each other.
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Just to add what some have said, the way the players acted is beyond inapproprite, however, it does bother me that she doesn't think any of this was brought on by her choice of attire.

I've watched women like Pat Oliver report from the sidelines since I was a teen and though very pretty, she carries herself as serious from the sidelines. Yes it's football but ALL of the broadcasters wear suits, men and women.

I work in an office but I'd never wear my "we be clubbing" clothes to work. If I did that wouldn't give anyone the legal right to harass or assault me but I shouldn't be shocked by the extra attention.

Again I'm not excusing the guys but I just can't defend her completely on this one.
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Act like a team of douchebags, get treated like a team of douchebags.

Dress like a floozie, get treated like a floozie.

IMHO, they all deserve each other.
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I still dont understand how some people can have such a strong opinion about something that affects them in no way whatsoever. Why does it matter to you so much that reporters are in the dressing room??? Who cares if its a hold over from a bygone era? How does that impact your lives in any way? NFL players are big boys and can speak for themselves. Is there any outrage from players? If not, why make it a concern of yours? It just blows my mind that people can have such strong opinions on other people's business.

-This isnt directed at anyone in particular. I've read the same thing several times and cant wrap my head around it. But feel free to respond if you fall into this category. Maybe I'm missing something
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