Democratic Party Nominee 2012-Who Will It Be?

[the iron horse]

Is President Obama a given or will he face a challenger?

 

[Canadiens1131]

Conservatives, by their very nature, aren't usually that skilled in the humour department

 

[financeguy]

Is President Obama a given or will he face a challenger?

Kucinich would be good.

 

[INDY500]

Conservatives, by their very nature, aren't usually that skilled in the humour department

That's right Iron horse. Best to leave all that science-doin' and job-creatin' and joke-makin' to them thar "elites." They're better people... just ask 'em.

 

[PhilsFan]

Is that poster supposed to be your counter argument?

 

[Canadiens1131]

That's right Iron horse. Best to leave all that science-doin' and job-creatin' and joke-makin' to them thar "elites." They're better people... just ask 'em.

How many nationally-known, popular comedians can you name who are actually rather conservative or who perform acts that show conservative values in a positive light? Hint: Larry the Cable Guy is an act and actually doesn't have a ridiculous accent when he's off-mic. That's a paragraph with no hint of sarcasm, I'd love to know. I'm a big standup fan and the only guy who comes close for me is Dennis Miller.

And as far as that poster, I honestly think you are far more deft than to fall into the GOP marketing ploy that liberals are the elites trying to give welfare to their poor cousins and conservatives in Congress who are multimillionaires actually give a damn for the average working man.

How many houses does John Mccain own, again? Eight?

 

[financeguy]

Is President Obama a given or will he face a challenger?

Ron Paul would easily beat Obama, but I'd wager the War Party won't select him.

Obama is basically a crap president. Soon as he comes up against serious opposition, he's toast, but the oligarchy still favour him, for reasons best known to themselves. Probably something to do with screwing the middle and working class taxpayers and keeping the Wall Street oligarchy in clover - it usually is.

My dream ticket is Paul-Kucinich - oh well, I can dream, can't I.

Here is my ten point policy prescription for the US:

Withdraw from Iraq - immediately.
Cease funding Israel - immediately.
Withdraw from Afghanistan, on a phased basis
Withdraw US funding from the World Bank/IMF.
Reduce taxes on the middle class - immediately.
Arrest ten multi-millionaire tax evaders and detain them in Gitmo indefinitely. (The rest will learn their lesson, believe me.)
Cut public sector wages by 20%, overnight.
Bring the troops home.
Bring the jobs home.
Re-establish the gold standard.
Screw China, forgive Europe and punish Russia.

Unfortunately, America, like Europe, is run by a of spivs, gimps, and servile cowards, in hock to the bankers, so none of the above will be implemented. It should, though. We all know it.

 

[deep]

How many houses does John Mccain own, again? Eight?

about one,
his wife owns several

 

[deep]

Obama will be the Democrat nominee,
the only thing that would change that would be if his real birth certificate surfaced.

 

[INDY500]

How many nationally-known, popular comedians can you name who are actually rather conservative or who perform acts that show conservative values in a positive light? Hint: Larry the Cable Guy is an act and actually doesn't have a ridiculous accent when he's off-mic. That's a paragraph with no hint of sarcasm, I'd love to know. I'm a big standup fan and the only guy who comes close for me is Dennis Miller.

Don Rickles on Dean Martin Roasts : Sammy Davis Jr - YouTube


Political correctness has killed humor. Remember this? http://www.u2interference.com/forum...-15k-for-insulting-lesbian-couple-210325.html

Don Rickles probably isn't even politically conservative but today everybody except white Christian males and conservative women/minorities are in the off-limits, protected, victims of Western culture category.

There is great conservative humor in the writings of Jonah Goldberg, Greg Gutfeld, Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn. But if you can only laugh at what you've been conditioned to laugh at (i.e. the Daily Show and Colbert crowds) you are not going to "get the joke" of the absurdity of much of the Left.

What's left for conservative comics other than the self-deprecating humor of Larry the cable guy or Jeff Foxworthy? Is there a sitcom with a witty, conservative wag? Now, how many have a snarky, gay one?

And as far as that poster, I honestly think you are far more deft than to fall into the GOP marketing ploy that liberals are the elites trying to give welfare to their poor cousins and conservatives in Congress who are multimillionaires actually give a damn for the average working man.

How many houses does John Mccain own, again? Eight?

Why don't you stop with the GOP is anti-science canard. It's not only terribly incorrect but, um... elitist.

 

[PhilsFan]

Why don't you stop with the, "Anyone who rips the GOP must be an elitist" bullshit?

 

[Irvine511]

Why don't you stop with the GOP is anti-science canard. It's not only terribly incorrect but, um... elitist.

you should contact the Huntsman campaign and let them know this.

 

[pcfitz80]

Ron Paul would easily beat Obama, but I'd wager the War Party won't select him.

Obama is basically a crap president. Soon as he comes up against serious opposition, he's toast, but the oligarchy still favour him, for reasons best known to themselves. Probably something to do with screwing the middle and working class taxpayers and keeping the Wall Street oligarchy in clover - it usually is.

My dream ticket is Paul-Kucinich - oh well, I can dream, can't I.

Here is my ten point policy prescription for the US:

Withdraw from Iraq - immediately.
Cease funding Israel - immediately.
Withdraw from Afghanistan, on a phased basis
Withdraw US funding from the World Bank/IMF.
Reduce taxes on the middle class - immediately.
Arrest ten multi-millionaire tax evaders and detain them in Gitmo indefinitely. (The rest will learn their lesson, believe me.)
Cut public sector wages by 20%, overnight.
Bring the troops home.
Bring the jobs home.
Re-establish the gold standard.
Screw China, forgive Europe and punish Russia.

Unfortunately, America, like Europe, is run by a of spivs, gimps, and servile cowards, in hock to the bankers, so none of the above will be implemented. It should, though. We all know it.

ok. some of your ideas are good. But regarding public sector wages, why is it always a forgone conclusion they are too high? Yes, they are higher in many cases than private sector wages but there are two things to consider: 1) maybe private sector wages are too low? and.. 2) on average, public sector jobs are jobs that require higher levels of education unlike in the private sector that is becoming increasingly dominated by low skilled service jobs. In any event, a race to the bottom won't help the middle class. We need to protect what's left of our middle class.

 

[BVS]

but today everybody except white Christian males and conservative women/minorities are in the off-limits, protected, victims of Western culture category.

How typical, the victim card.

Why don't you stop with the GOP is anti-science canard. It's not only terribly incorrect but, um... elitist.

It's incorrect? OK, then please tell us who in your tea party crowd has a respect and understanding of science? I haven't seen ONE.

 

[intedomine]

Kucinich would be a dream, I wanted him to be the Democratic candidate back in the last presidential election. Seems like a thoroughly decent individual.

 

[Canadiens1131]

There is great conservative humor in the writings of Jonah Goldberg, Greg Gutfeld, Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn. But if you can only laugh at what you've been conditioned to laugh at (i.e. the Daily Show and Colbert crowds) you are not going to "get the joke" of the absurdity of much of the Left.

That tells me about all I need to know. I find Gutfeld and Coulter neither irritating, offensive, nor funny. I don't really watch the Daily Show, despite your attempt to pigeon-hole me

Why don't you stop with the GOP is anti-science canard. It's not only terribly incorrect but, um... elitist.

You're right, the GOP isn't anti-science. I take it back. They are pro-science when it benefits their local pharmaceutical or aerospace development interests, and anti-science when they have to pander to the Christian right in order to get votes. Not that this is only a symptom of the GOP.

Enjoy Mittens' swing back to the middle when the general election rolls round.

Don Rickles probably isn't even politically conservative but today everybody except white Christian males and conservative women/minorities are in the off-limits, protected, victims of Western culture category.

Being a white, North American, fluent English-speaking male, I find it pretty hilarious when other Caucasians play the victim. That's pretty pathetic. It really speaks to the Conservative American paranoia that their "way of life" from the idealized 1950s is under siege from all the brown folks.

50% of the citizens of the United States will be black or Hispanic by 2050, so if you're still gonna be alive by then, you might want to start learning how to cope now, Indy.

 

[PhilsFan]

As a white, American, English-speaking male and the son of two conservative parents, I find the paranoia tremendously pathetic as well.

 

[the iron horse]

Kucinich would be good.

If I remember correctly, I read that Kucinich said recently that Hillary
Clinton should run against President Obama in 2012. I will double check

Some news on the Democratic front:
What should the White House do? Panic! - CNN.com

 

[Inner El Guapo]

The most Left member of the House would want someone that is to the Right of Obama to run? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.

Of course, maybe (if true) he just wants someone to push Obama into being a strong leader for once.

 

[maycocksean]

Being a white, North American, fluent English-speaking male, I find it pretty hilarious when other Caucasians play the victim.

"Let me tell y'all what it's like Being male, middle-class and white It's a bitch, if you don't believe Listen up to my new CD"

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

One third of Americans believe Hillary Clinton would have been a better president than Barack Obama, and two-thirds view her favorably, according to a new Bloomberg News poll.

"The most popular national political figure in America today is one who was rejected by her own party three years ago: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton," Bloomberg News' John McCormick wrote on the poll's findings, which were released Friday.

While 34 percent of those polled believe "things would be better under a Clinton administration," McCormick wrote, "almost half--47 percent--say things would be about the same, and 13 percent say worse."

By contrast, "35 percent of those polled believe the country would be worse off if John McCain had been elected president," Holly Bailey reported at The Ticket.

"Clinton remains the most popular political figure on the national scene, with 64 percent of those polled saying they have a 'favorable' view of the Secretary of State, Bailey wrote.

"Obama's favorable rating is at 50 percent—even though 49 percent of those polled disapprove of the job he's doing as president. A majority of Democrats say Obama is their best candidate in 2012, though just under a third—30 percent—say they'd prefer to have someone else on the ticket."

 

[Earnie Shavers]

The big picture would have been no different if Clinton had won - ie economy etc - so in impact on average citizens, you couldn't declare it better or worse (although she might have looked better in her way of handling it? Tougher, more determined etc?) only different in some of the details. Definitely no healthcare, no dadt repeal, things like that. But then - what instead? She also might have handled some foreign policy stuff differently, Arab Spring etc. And I wonder whether the Republican/Tea Party would have been a bit easier on her, or just as hard?

 

[Irvine511]

And I wonder whether the Republican/Tea Party would have been a bit easier on her, or just as hard?

instead of racism, they'd be fueled by psychosexual dramas of emasculating females and instead of the birth certificate they'd be talking about Vince Foster's "suspicious" death.

there were all sorts of insane things written about the Clintons in the early 1990s, and one of the differences is that Bill Clinton actually did many of the things that they said he did, and his administration had plenty of scandals.

compare that to this squeaky clean administration (so far) and Obama's apparently exemplary marriage and family.

 

[Earnie Shavers]

Yeah, it would be different. Far more personal and direct. Similar to her husband. They'd go after Clinton because she's a Clinton. With Obama though, it's all the shadowy 'other' stuff, all the socialist nonsense, the 'taking back America' bullshit. In that sense, if it were Clinton, it would be more of a fair fight - if no less stupid/wasteful - in that they would be targeting specific tangible things, which presents the opportunity to fight back. Obama is up against something that has absolutely nothing to with him, and charges against him that are so beyond reality that you pretty much can't argue them. Not sure which is better. All the Clinton drama again, or all this Beck-ish insanity.

 

[INDY500]

compare that to this squeaky clean administration (so far)

Fast and Furious

LightSquared

Solyndra

I don't know if these will play out as traditional political scandals (I hope not, I want to defeat this president's ideas, not the man) or just highlight the way this administration blatantly uses government and the public purse to favor "connected" interests. We've already seen it with the stimulus money directed towards Blue states and public sector unions, the Obamacare waivers and the recent pro-union rulings of the NLRB.

Now we'll see the extent of cronyism in the pursuit of a national wireless broadband system and "green jobs."

 

[BVS]

But Reagan and Bush never did this...

You've become a parody.

 

[Irvine511]

Fast and Furious

LightSquared

Solyndra

again: for any modern presidential administration, this is a squeaky clean record.

 

[Irvine511]

Not sure which is better. All the Clinton drama again, or all this Beck-ish insanity.

one of my biggest reasons for supporting BHO over HRC was that i thought he'd help us move beyond these tired, Vietnam-era divisions and Baby Boomer self-obsession. he was distinctly post-Vietnam, post-racial, and has tried admirably to get along with people different from him, as you'd have to growing up in the multi-culti potpourri of Hawaii. he looked like the future, the next step.

i had no idea that a financial crisis would get the American nativist machinery cranking again.

but that's where we are. the Democrats in disarray, the Republcicans marching in lockstep to the drumbeat of their reality-denying. it's just shocking.

it amazes me how people seem so frightened of his "ideas" -- these are very, very moderate proposals that follow mainstream, accepted, textbook economics. yet ... he's some Bolshevik?

it's shocking.

ugh.

 

[INDY500]

it amazes me how people seem so frightened of his "ideas" -- these are very, very moderate proposals that follow mainstream, accepted, textbook economics. yet ... he's some Bolshevik?

it's shocking.

ugh.

Maybe it's time to throwaway some of those "mainstream, accepted" textbooks.

British MEP says this is the end : USACTION NEWS

“Its not just the European assumptions that are crumbling its the whole Keynesian edifice on which they rest. All those men who think think of themselves as practical but are in fact slaves to some long defunct economist are now finding that their belief system is in ruins. You cannot spend your way to growth. You cannot increase consumption without producing something at least not in the long term. And you cannot debase a currency without consequences and you cannot keep borrowing forever. And if you try to do those things what happens? You are about to find out.”
– Daniel Hannan MEP for southeast England, Sept 2011

 

[Irvine511]

Maybe it's time to throwaway some of those "mainstream, accepted" textbooks.

yes. because your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge.

that's democracy!