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Old 09-14-2011, 11:30 AM   #16
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There is great conservative humor in the writings of Jonah Goldberg, Greg Gutfeld, Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn. But if you can only laugh at what you've been conditioned to laugh at (i.e. the Daily Show and Colbert crowds) you are not going to "get the joke" of the absurdity of much of the Left.
That tells me about all I need to know. I find Gutfeld and Coulter neither irritating, offensive, nor funny. I don't really watch the Daily Show, despite your attempt to pigeon-hole me


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Why don't you stop with the GOP is anti-science canard. It's not only terribly incorrect but, um... elitist.
You're right, the GOP isn't anti-science. I take it back. They are pro-science when it benefits their local pharmaceutical or aerospace development interests, and anti-science when they have to pander to the Christian right in order to get votes. Not that this is only a symptom of the GOP.

Enjoy Mittens' swing back to the middle when the general election rolls round.

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Don Rickles probably isn't even politically conservative but today everybody except white Christian males and conservative women/minorities are in the off-limits, protected, victims of Western culture category.
Being a white, North American, fluent English-speaking male, I find it pretty hilarious when other Caucasians play the victim. That's pretty pathetic. It really speaks to the Conservative American paranoia that their "way of life" from the idealized 1950s is under siege from all the brown folks.

50% of the citizens of the United States will be black or Hispanic by 2050, so if you're still gonna be alive by then, you might want to start learning how to cope now, Indy.
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:56 AM   #17
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As a white, American, English-speaking male and the son of two conservative parents, I find the paranoia tremendously pathetic as well.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:42 PM   #18
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Kucinich would be good.

If I remember correctly, I read that Kucinich said recently that Hillary
Clinton should run against President Obama in 2012. I will double check

Some news on the Democratic front:
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The most Left member of the House would want someone that is to the Right of Obama to run? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.

Of course, maybe (if true) he just wants someone to push Obama into being a strong leader for once.
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Being a white, North American, fluent English-speaking male, I find it pretty hilarious when other Caucasians play the victim.
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One third of Americans believe Hillary Clinton would have been a better president than Barack Obama, and two-thirds view her favorably, according to a new Bloomberg News poll.

"The most popular national political figure in America today is one who was rejected by her own party three years ago: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton," Bloomberg News' John McCormick wrote on the poll's findings, which were released Friday.

While 34 percent of those polled believe "things would be better under a Clinton administration," McCormick wrote, "almost half--47 percent--say things would be about the same, and 13 percent say worse."

By contrast, "35 percent of those polled believe the country would be worse off if John McCain had been elected president," Holly Bailey reported at The Ticket.

"Clinton remains the most popular political figure on the national scene, with 64 percent of those polled saying they have a 'favorable' view of the Secretary of State, Bailey wrote.

"Obama's favorable rating is at 50 percent—even though 49 percent of those polled disapprove of the job he's doing as president. A majority of Democrats say Obama is their best candidate in 2012, though just under a third—30 percent—say they'd prefer to have someone else on the ticket."
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:07 AM   #22
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The big picture would have been no different if Clinton had won - ie economy etc - so in impact on average citizens, you couldn't declare it better or worse (although she might have looked better in her way of handling it? Tougher, more determined etc?) only different in some of the details. Definitely no healthcare, no dadt repeal, things like that. But then - what instead? She also might have handled some foreign policy stuff differently, Arab Spring etc. And I wonder whether the Republican/Tea Party would have been a bit easier on her, or just as hard?
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And I wonder whether the Republican/Tea Party would have been a bit easier on her, or just as hard?

instead of racism, they'd be fueled by psychosexual dramas of emasculating females and instead of the birth certificate they'd be talking about Vince Foster's "suspicious" death.

there were all sorts of insane things written about the Clintons in the early 1990s, and one of the differences is that Bill Clinton actually did many of the things that they said he did, and his administration had plenty of scandals.

compare that to this squeaky clean administration (so far) and Obama's apparently exemplary marriage and family.
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Yeah, it would be different. Far more personal and direct. Similar to her husband. They'd go after Clinton because she's a Clinton. With Obama though, it's all the shadowy 'other' stuff, all the socialist nonsense, the 'taking back America' bullshit. In that sense, if it were Clinton, it would be more of a fair fight - if no less stupid/wasteful - in that they would be targeting specific tangible things, which presents the opportunity to fight back. Obama is up against something that has absolutely nothing to with him, and charges against him that are so beyond reality that you pretty much can't argue them. Not sure which is better. All the Clinton drama again, or all this Beck-ish insanity.
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compare that to this squeaky clean administration (so far)
Fast and Furious

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I don't know if these will play out as traditional political scandals (I hope not, I want to defeat this president's ideas, not the man) or just highlight the way this administration blatantly uses government and the public purse to favor "connected" interests. We've already seen it with the stimulus money directed towards Blue states and public sector unions, the Obamacare waivers and the recent pro-union rulings of the NLRB.

Now we'll see the extent of cronyism in the pursuit of a national wireless broadband system and "green jobs."
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But Reagan and Bush never did this...

You've become a parody.
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again: for any modern presidential administration, this is a squeaky clean record.
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Not sure which is better. All the Clinton drama again, or all this Beck-ish insanity.

one of my biggest reasons for supporting BHO over HRC was that i thought he'd help us move beyond these tired, Vietnam-era divisions and Baby Boomer self-obsession. he was distinctly post-Vietnam, post-racial, and has tried admirably to get along with people different from him, as you'd have to growing up in the multi-culti potpourri of Hawaii. he looked like the future, the next step.

i had no idea that a financial crisis would get the American nativist machinery cranking again.

but that's where we are. the Democrats in disarray, the Republcicans marching in lockstep to the drumbeat of their reality-denying. it's just shocking.

it amazes me how people seem so frightened of his "ideas" -- these are very, very moderate proposals that follow mainstream, accepted, textbook economics. yet ... he's some Bolshevik?

it's shocking.

ugh.
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it amazes me how people seem so frightened of his "ideas" -- these are very, very moderate proposals that follow mainstream, accepted, textbook economics. yet ... he's some Bolshevik?

it's shocking.

ugh.
Maybe it's time to throwaway some of those "mainstream, accepted" textbooks.

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Maybe it's time to throwaway some of those "mainstream, accepted" textbooks.


yes. because your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge.

that's democracy!
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