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Old 08-28-2008, 11:27 PM   #346
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A Democratic Congress AND White House will result in the same gridlock and ineptitude we've had for the past 8 years?
I am not defending the last 8 years by any means. I am just not under any assumption that the next 4 will be any better.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:27 PM   #347
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That speech was awesome! The greatest thing I've ever heard in my life, I must say. I'm switching my support to Obama!

Obama Biden 08!!!!





















































...just kidding
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:29 PM   #348
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Afghanistan was the wrong country?
They were unsuccessful in capturing Bin Laden in Afghanistan, so they shifted their focus to Iraq! You know what I meant!
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:30 PM   #349
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I cannot believe there are still people out there even thinking about voting for John McCain, a person representing a party that attacked the wrong country after being hit on 9/11. This election should be a landslide in favor of the dems!
If you go back to 2001, you'll find that the United States invaded Afghanistan, and has continued consistently, year after year, to fight the insurgency there and rebuild that country, with US troop levels increasing nearly every year. The current occupation and nation building operation in Afghanistan is the most successful one in Afghanistan's history.
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I am not defending the last 8 years by any means. I am just not under any assumption that the next 4 will be any better.
Then, by all means, vote for McCain and you'll have a self-fulfilling prophesy. A vote for McCain and the GOP is a vote for the status quo.
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2861U2, your antagonistic approach is not constructive, and your intentional misunderstanding of the 'wrong country' sentence is not amusing.

I don't know why the four or five republicans here are here, to be honest. It can't be any fun going 5 on 30 in this place.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:32 PM   #352
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The current occupation and nation building operation in Afghanistan is the most successful one in Afghanistan's history.
Considering Afghanistan is a long-failed state, the bar for "success" isn't set very high.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:32 PM   #353
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Well, we'll take a look objectively where the country is on January 20, 2009 both in terms of economics and foreign policy, comparing it to other periods in US history, and I doubt its going to look like the horror story that the Obama campaign would have everyone believe.
i look forward to your analysis-free quoting of the UN HDI.

it always adds so much to the conversation.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:32 PM   #354
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They were unsuccessful in capturing Bin Laden in Afghanistan, so they shifted their focus to Iraq! You know what I meant!
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You'd think. Just goes to show that a lot of people see major problems with Obama.
...or, that half of America doesn't have a clue. We've seen the same attitude in the past two elections, the same divisiveness. Speaking as a Canadian, it's fucking frightening that a fundamentally flawed right-wing agenda can reign supreme.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:32 PM   #355
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If you go back to 2001, you'll find that the United States invaded Afghanistan, and has continued consistently, year after year, to fight the insurgency there and rebuild that country, with US troop levels increasing nearly every year. The current occupation and nation building operation in Afghanistan is the most successful one in Afghanistan's history.
Pretty sure it wasn't just republicans who supported those invasions either...
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If you go back to 2001, you'll find that the United States invaded Afghanistan, and has continued consistently, year after year, to fight the insurgency there and rebuild that country, with US troop levels increasing nearly every year. The current occupation and nation building operation in Afghanistan is the most successful one in Afghanistan's history.


and it remains inadequate to the task.
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sometimes in his speech, when he was going on and on and you couldn't stop him.. it was like watching a promo from The Rock.. hell, they even SOUND alike

I was keep waiting for him to say "and this is the promise of a promise!!"



anyway, it was fantastic, I don' t even live there, but I want him to be president... for the mere fact that he doesn't seem to be "one of them", the same old people running the business.

the only thing I'm not buying is that tax cut to 95% of people... it sound TOO illusional.




He had a dream... and look where we are now
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That speech was awesome! The greatest thing I've ever heard in my life, I must say. I'm switching my support to Obama!

Obama Biden 08!!!!

...just kidding
Are you trying to be funny? Why not just avoid commenting on the DNC... since you clearly keep to the right, lol.
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Why not just avoid commenting on the DNC... since you clearly keep to the right, lol.
Careful, someone may dig that post up next week.
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it has struck me that no matter who is elected, they may be a one-termer due to the mess we're in.
It is funny,
how we arrive at the same conclusions, in our own way.

McCain will absolutely be a one termer, promise or not.

After 12 years of GOP, how can the Dems not win.

Also, they should do pretty good with the Congress with a GOP President.


If Obama wins, with this major cluster f*ck of a world economy, run away deficit, trade imbalance, etc.
And all the promise of change. All the bad shit will be laid at his feet.

Even though he will not be responsible for it.
Also the GOP will get pick ups in the congress.
None of this is fair.

After 8 years of Nixon/ Ford, even with watergate. The Dems only got 4 years with Carter. The turndown in the economy was not Carters fault.

But 8 years Nixon to 4 years Carter, back to 12 years Reagan/ Bush 1


that is 20 years GOP to 4 years Dem


If Hillary lost to McCain in 2008

Obama would have easliy won 2012 and had 8 good years.

If Hillary won, she would run in 2012 and lose.

Giving Obama a clean shot in 2016.
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