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Old 08-28-2008, 11:18 PM   #331
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I have done a fair amount of research on both candidates...thanks for letting me know i should do that. I also am not naive enough to think most of the agenda either candidate proposes will have a chance in hell of being implemented the way they portray it. I have seen too many of these speeches, known too many politicians and well understand the dynamics of government and business. This speech was amazing, but that is all it was. If you think it is more, you may be sadly disappointed in 4 years.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:20 PM   #332
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This speech was amazing, but that is all it was. If you think it is more, you may be sadly disappointed in 4 years.


i am under no illusions of how difficult the next 4 years are going to be.

it has struck me that no matter who is elected, they may be a one-termer due to the mess we're in.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:20 PM   #333
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All because of one speech? :facepalm:

You don't judge a person based on words but rather on their actions.
Senator Obama has proven this to me by his actions during his campaign and through the policies he's proposed and supported in his life in government thus far.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:21 PM   #334
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All because of one speech? :facepalm:

You don't judge a person based on words but rather on their actions.
Actions begin with thoughts, and his are extremely potent.
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I watched this speech and as well executed as it was, I was left thinking 'Drink more Kool-Aid'. Sorry, it was just more of the same old politics that has been around for years. Lots of promises which will never be fulfilled. I don't see how this embodies 'Change' at all.
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You are partially right.

It would be interesting to lay this speech side by side with some of Bill Clintons.

There are major similarities, so it is nothing new.

Except it is a big change from the last 8 years.

Can all the promises be kept.
Well, if you set your goals there, you may get some accomplished.

If you didn't like Bill Clinton's agenda, then you won't like Obama's.

He offered Gays, hospital visitation. No risk taker.

and no defense of Roe v Wade. Just a promise to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
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A 45 minute talk, but only 5 minutes spent on Foreign Policy and National Security, the policy area's that the Presidency has the most impact on.
That may be what a Republican presidency is concerned with, considering they are notorious for ignoring domestic issues.

Maybe we really should have a Prime Minister in this country.
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If you think it is more, you may be sadly disappointed in 4 years.
A Democratic Congress AND White House will result in the same gridlock and ineptitude we've had for the past 8 years?
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I cannot believe there are still people out there even thinking about voting for John McCain, a person representing a party that attacked the wrong country after being hit on 9/11. This election should be a landslide in favor of the dems!
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A 45 minute talk, but only 5 minutes spent on Foreign Policy and National Security, the policy area's that the Presidency has the most impact on.
"America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this..."

He covered a whole lot of terrain with that...
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A Democratic Congress AND White House will result in the same gridlock and ineptitude we've had for the past 8 years?
Exactly. The next president will have a difficult road ahead of him because of the disaster of the Bush administration. I have no illusions about Senator Obama. I simply believe he has the policy issues and the grip on reality, along with the rational thinking we need to begin to restore confidence in our country both here and overseas.
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I cannot believe there are still people out there even thinking about voting for John McCain, a person representing a party that attacked the wrong country after being hit on 9/11. This election should be a landslide in favor of the dems!
You'd think. Just goes to show that a lot of people see major problems with Obama.
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I cannot believe there are still people out there even thinking about voting for John McCain, a person representing a party that attacked the wrong country after being hit on 9/11. This election should be a landslide in favor of the dems!
Afghanistan was the wrong country?
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i am under no illusions of how difficult the next 4 years are going to be.

it has struck me that no matter who is elected, they may be a one-termer due to the mess we're in.
Well, we'll take a look objectively where the country is on January 20, 2009 both in terms of economics and foreign policy, comparing it to other periods in US history, and I doubt its going to look like the horror story that the Obama campaign would have everyone believe.
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I don't usually go with my gut instinct. But in my gut and in my heart, I really think we just watched the next President. I would be delighted to be right in 3 months.
As much as I'd love for Obama to win, my intuition/gut says McCain will win and lately it rarely seems to be wrong but hopefully this is one of those times...

(but you'll be happy to know Anitram my gut doesn't think Harper will be re-elected! )
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A 45 minute talk, but only 5 minutes spent on Foreign Policy and National Security, the policy area's that the Presidency has the most impact on.
It was refreshing to see 9/11 mentioned only once for a change. What's the over-under for McCain's mention of it next week?
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